Pope Francis and Pope Benedict brazenly claim that the Council is innovative and a break with Tradition when they have chosen a false premise to create the innovation.It’s their irrational premise which makes the Council innovative and schismatic.The College of Cardinals must correct this mistake.It has spread throughout the Catholic Church

Pope Francis and Pope Benedict brazenly claim that the Council is innovative and a break with Tradition when they have chosen a false premise to create the innovation.It’s their irrational premise which makes the Council innovative and schismatic.The College of Cardinals must correct this mistake.It has spread throughout the Catholic Church. This is an issue the Lega-Salvini could bring up in Parliament.Why should Catholics have to follow the leftist political interpretation of Vatican Council II with the false premise and not employ the rational premise?

Pope John Paul II overlooked it.Every one followed every one else’s false interpretation .Pope Paul VI said the Council is pastoral.But the Council is dogmatic. Ad Gentes 7 supports traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with no exceptions.While LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are not visible examples of salvation outside the Church.

In other words these are not non Catholics saved without faith and the baptism of water.

Yet they are projected as visible cases. It is as if they could see or meet such people.Then they projected LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as being practical exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.So they made the Syllabus of Errors obsolete.

Traditional ecclesiocentrism was rejected in Redemptoris Missio  and Dominus Iesus.Cardinal Ratzinger did not interpret the Council with the rational premise. He approved the false premise in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.He was the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith overseeing all this doctrinal chaos.

So Cardinal Gerhard Muller, as Prefect, CDF did not celebrate a landmark anniversary of the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.How could he? Pope Benedict rejected the Syllabus  with  the Council interpreted irrationally. Until today, the cardinal still goes along with the error.

The pope may pastorally and in the media support homosexual unions while officially th CDF would say that they are ‘intrinsically evil’.But Pope Francis and Pope Benedict formally, in writing and also in the media, have chosen the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II, EENS, Syllabus etc.Their understanding of the Creeds is different from mine and that of the popes over the centuries.

Any one can check it out and confirm it.Vatican Council II can be interpreted with a rational or irrational premise to produce two different conclusions, one traditional and the other non traditional.The evidence is there in public.

WIKIPEDIA USES THE FALSE PREMISE

Wikipedia still continues to interpret Church documents with the false premise and there is no correction from the Vatican.Check the entries, Vatican Council II,Fr.Leonard Feeney, Feeneyism, extra ecclesiam nulla salus etc.The false premise is always there.1

With the false premise Pope Francis and Pope Benedict change doctrine and theology. This is not just a disciplinary issue. In principle ( de jure) and de facto they change Catholic doctrine when they re-interpret Magisterial documents wih the irrational premise . This creates the expected break with Tradition.

Ecclesiastics may say that the pope’s public statements on homosexuality are in a particular context, there is nothing in writing but they cannot deny that the present two popes reject the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church and to do this they have to interpret Vatican Council II with the irrational premise, without this ruse there is no liberalism.

In the Introduction to Dominus Iesus, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was concerned on how the Church’ s teachings were being changed not only practically but also in principle.Yet  in principle Pope Benedict has used the false premise to change the understanding of the Vatican Council II, EENS, Syllabus of Errors, Catechism of Pope Pius IX  etc.The Council Fathers did the same at Vatican Council II(1960-1965).Pope Pius XII, Pope John XXIII and Pope Paul VI did not correct the objective error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.

  

     

Pope Francis now thinks it is the Mass which makes a Catholic or seminarian ‘rigid’ when it really is the use of the fake premise.The Catholic goes back back to Tradition leaving behind the Council interpreted irrationally.

    

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When Vatican Council II is interpreted with the rational premise we go back to the Traditional Mission doctrine based upon ecclesiocentrism.It is no more ‘those who know or do not know' and who are not in invincible ignorance'(LG 14).Instead it is - all need to enter the Catholic Church with no known exceptions. Invincible ignorance is no more an exception to all needing to be Catholic with faith and the baptism of water (LG 14,AG 7 etc).Yes every one needs to get his name on the Parish Baptism Register to avoid Hell.So we evangelize.Since all non Catholics are oriented to Hell without faith and the baptism of water (AG 7, LG14), Catechism of the Catholic Church (845,846,1257), Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return with no known exceptions).The non Catholic is not condemned as long as he or she is alive.

But faith and baptism are not the norm for salvation for the present two popes.Since there are exceptions to the norm, for them, for example, in Vatican Council II.The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus is also no more the norm for them.Since there are exceptions of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance, for them and not for me.

We are no more one , holy, Catholic  and Apostolic Church. The norm for salvation is relative.The premise makes it relative.This is the official confusion of the two popes.Cardinal Walter Kasper could cite The Four Marks of the Church and so also could Fr. Leonard Feeney.

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MISTAKE

There should be a check on new papers being produced by the International Theological Commission. Since in two papers (documents) of the ITC approved by Pope John Paul II, Cardinal Ratzinger and then then Fr. Luiz Ladaria sj, the false premise was used to change theology and doctrine. 2

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NOVEMBER 11, 2019

 

The Oxford University Press has produced many books on Vatican Council II based upon a false premise. A deceptive rupture is created with Catholic Tradition     https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-oxford-university-press-has.html

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The Vatican also needs to issue a clarification. Books should not be published on Vatican Council II, in which the fake premise is employed to produce a non traditional conclusion which is not the Deposit of the Faith.Future books written on Vatican Council II must not claim that the Council is innovative and a break with Tradition. It should be shown how with the rational premise the  Council is traditional.Then we don’t have schismatic and heretical popes.-Lionel Andrades

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Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, 14: "They could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it."

Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, 16: ". . .Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. . .But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator. Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. . ."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_Ecclesiam_nulla_salus

NOTE : Lumen Gentium 14 ( baptism of desire) and Lumen Gentium 16(invincible ignorance ) are mentioned by Wikipedia with reference to Extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It is  as if they are practical exceptions.For them to be exceptions the false premise had to be used creating a New Theology which now says outside the Church there is known salvation. Outside the Church there is salvation.

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66. In his encyclical Mystici Corporis, Pius XII addresses the question, How are those who attain salvation outside visible communion with the Church related to her? He says that they are oriented to the mystical body of Christ by a yearning and desire of which they are not aware (DS 3821).(Lionel: But this is a reference  by Pope Pius XII to hypothetical and invisible cases.This is something obvious.It is common sense.) The opposition of the American Jesuit Leonard Feeney, who insisted on the exclusivist interpretation of the expression extra ecclesiam nulla solus, afforded the occasion for the letter of the Holy Office, dated 8 August ,1949, to the archbishop of Boston, which rejected Feeney s interpretation and clarified the teaching of Pius XII. (So he means hypothetical cases are objective exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.He has used the false premise.)  The letter distinguishes between the necessity of belonging to the Church for salvation (necessitas praecepti) and the necessity of the indispensable means of salvation (intrinseca necessitas); in relationship to the latter, the Church is a general help for salvation (DS 3867—69).(O.K,Hypothetically but what has this to do with EENS ? The Letter made an irrational inference too.)  In the case of invincible ignorance the implicit desire of belonging to the Church suffices; this desire will always be present when a man aspires to conform his will to that of God (DS 3870).(Again he is referring to an unknown person so why is this mentioned with reference to EENS? Why? Since his new theology is based upon the irrational premise.) But faith, in the sense of Hebrews 11:6, and love are always necessary with intrinsic necessity (DS 3872).

67. Vatican Council II makes its own the expression extra ecclesiam nulla salus. But in using it the council explicitly directs itself to Catholics and limits its validity to those who know the necessity of the Church for salvation.(He interprets Lumen Gentium 14 as referring to known people saved outside the Church and so there are known people saved in invincible ignorance.So only those who know and are not in ignorance need to enter the Church for him and not all non Catholics in general.  The council holds that the affirmation is based on the necessity of faith and of baptism affirmed by Christ (LG 14). In this way the council aligned itself in continuity with the teaching of Pius XII,( The teaching of Pope Pius XII on EENS with known cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance.Unknown and hypothetical cases are made practical and known exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.Unknown cases are known exceptions. ) but emphasized more clearly the original parenthentical character of this expression.(Vaguely supporting the false premise and the New Theology which creates the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition).

68. In contrast to Pius XII, the council refused to speak of a votum implicitum (implicit desire) and applied the concept of the votum only to the explicit desire of catechumens to belong to the Church (LG 14).(The catechumen who is saved with implicit or explicit desire is a hypothetical case. So why is it mentioned here ? Since it is not a hypothetical case for Cardinal Ratzinger and Fr. Luiz Ladaria s.j. ) With regard to non-Christians, it said that they are ordered in diverse ways to the people of God.(He does not say that they are all oriented to Hell. Since that would be the traditional Feeneyite theology with unknown cases not known exceptions to traditional EENS) In accord with the different ways with which the salvific will of God embraces non-Christians, the council distinguished four groups: first, Jews; second, Muslims; third, those who without fault are ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and do not know the Church but who search for God with a sincere heart and try to fulfill his will as known through conscience; fourth, those who without fault have not yet reached an express knowledge of God but who nonetheless try to lead a good life (LG 16). (For him the exceptions to the norm, faith and baptism , are the  ordinary means of salvation. )

Even ITC's The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without being baptised is also presented with the false premise , which is a specific error in Vatican Council II.It creates the New Theology.Liberals and Lefebvrists interpret Vatican Council II with the New Theology.

58. In the face of new problems and situations and of an exclusive interpretation of the adage: (it was a dogma  defined by three Church Councils in the Extraordinary Magisterium and not an adage)“salus extra ecclesiam non est”, (it was always extra ecclesiam nulla salus) the magisterium, in recent times, has articulated a more nuanced understanding as to the manner in which a saving relationship with the Church can be realized.(He is referring to his irrational  interpretation with the false premise.He calls it a nuanced version. His 'nuanced version' of course is not the traditional exclusivist understanding of salvation with the rational premise.) The Allocution of Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quadam (1854) clearly states the issues involved: “It must, of course, be held as a matter of faith that outside the apostolic Roman Church no one can be saved, that the Church is the only ark of salvation, and that whoever does not enter it, will perish in the flood.(This is traditional Feeneyite theology which he will be contradicted in the next line by assuming unknown cases of being saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions to all needing to enter the Catholic Church for salvation) On the other hand, it must likewise be held as certain that those who live in ignorance of the true religion, if such ignorance be invincible, are not subject to any guilt in this matter before the eyes of the Lord” (In other words they are exceptions to EENS  for the ITC and so there is no more an exclusive interpretation. - 

THE HOPE OF SALVATION FOR INFANTS  WHO DIE WITHOUT BEING BAPTISED http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html  

-Lionel Andrades

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Pope Francis and Pope Benedict cannot deny that Vatican Council II can be interpreted with a rational or irrational premise to produce two different conclusions and they have chosen the false premise. The evidence is there in public.The College of Cardinals must respond.

The pope may deny that he supports homosexual unions but he cannot deny that Vatican Council II can be interpreted  with a rational or irrational premise to produce two different conclusions, one is traditional and the other non traditional.So he has chosen the false premise, like Pope Benedict, to create a false rupture with Tradition.For political-Left reasons he does not choose the rational premise and so affirm traditional ecclesiocentrism. Both the present two popes have used the false premise. The evidence is there before us in public.The College of Cardinals must respond.

With the false premise Pope Francis is changing doctrine and theology. It is not just a disciplinary change.He may say that his public statements on homosexuality are in a particular context, there is nothing in writing etc, but he and Pope Benedict have to admit that they reject the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church and to do this they interpret Vatican Council II with the irrational premise.Without this ruse there is no liberalism and they cannot make the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus obsolete, as they do today.

All Catholics simply have to use the rational premise to go back to Tradition. It is for the liberals for whom Vatican Council II will become an issue.This is when LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc, are seen as hypothetical cases always.So they cannot be practical exceptions for the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius X ( ecumenism of return ), the Catechism of Pope Pius X, 24Q,27Q (other religions and exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church), the Athanasius Creed ( all need the Catholic faith for salvation).

GERMAN SYNODAL PATH

Since the popes from Paul VI have interpreted Vatican Council II with the false premise there exists the German Synodal Way.It would fall flat if the Germans would choose to use the rational premise.

The Lefebvrist and Ecclesia Dei communities are also using the same fake premise and are unaware of it.So they do not correct the mistake of Pope Francis and Pope Benedict.Vatican Council II with the rational premise would not be an issue for the traditionalists.

PROOF OF THE FALSE PREMISE

1.Pope Francis wants the Ecclesia Dei communities to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and only then they will be allowed to offer the Latin Mass.

2.Pope Benedict told the Society of St. Pius X that they had to accept Vatican Council II( with the irrational and not rational premise) to be canonically accepted and that this was a doctrinal issue.So they had to use the false premise to create the New Theology which changed doctrine/dogma on outside the Church there is no salvation.

3.In two theological papers of the International Theological Commission,Pope Benedict and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, have criticized Fr. Leonard Feeney and his exclusivist ecclesiocentrism.They also mention that Vatican Council II(LG 16 etc) contradicted the priest’s exclusivist understanding of salvation.In other words, LG 16 referred to visible and known non Catholics saved outside the Church, without faith and the baptism of water.This is irrational. In this way, with the false premise i.e by confusing invisible cases of being saved in invincible ignorance, as being visible, practical exceptions were created for the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.Exceptions were created for the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, the Catechism of Pope Pius X and Trent, EENS etc.

3.Cardinal Braz de Avez has told the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate that they had to accept Vatican Council II. He meant the Council had to be interpreted with the false premise and then a false rupture would be created with Tradition.

4.Archbishops Giacomo Morendi and Augustine di Noia of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, demanded that Brother Andre Marie MICM, and the religious community Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church( 847-848) on invincible ignorance with the false premise. This is irrational.The CDF and the Diocese of Manchester, USA are using the false premise. Since the St. Benedict Center refuses to do likewise, a severe Decree of Prohibitions has been placed upon them since 2019. 

5.The Abu Dhabi Statement of Pope Francis was attributed to a change in ecclesiology and theology created by Vatican Council II when the false premise is used to interpret the text.Without the fake premise the pope would have to say outside the Church there is no salvation. 

6.The pontifical universities in Rome are following the leftist theology and so I am not allowed to study theology and philosophy at the pontifical universities Regina Apostolorum and St. Thomas Aquinas(Angelicum) in Rome. Since I interpret Vatican Council II , the Creeds, Catechism, EENS and other Magisterial documents, with the rational premise. So there is no hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.I was not allowed to continue as a seminarian at the pontifical seminaries Maria Mater Ecclesia and Beda College,Rome.The funding scholarship was also stopped by Propaganda Fide, Vatican.

7.All Pope Benedict’s books on Vatican Council II and Ecclesiology are written with a false premise. So his conclusion is non traditional and not the Deposit of the Faith.It is the same with the books of Cardinal Walter Kasper, Cardinal Marcello Semeraro and Archbishop Bruno Forte.

8.The dialogue with the Lutherans was based upon Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise. Otherwise with the rational premise, the Lutherans are outside the Church without Catholic faith (AG 7).While Unitatis Redintigratio 3 etc in Vatican Council II are not practical exceptions to 16th century EENS.

9.The Italian Government is giving Alberto Melloni and his institution in Bologna, Italy over a million euros a year  when he interprets Vatican Council II with the fake premise.There is no objection from Pope Francis and Pope Benedict.His liberalism on ecumenism, salvation outside the Church etc would not be possible with Vatican Council II interpreted with the rational premise.

10.Pope Francis and Pope Benedict with their irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II are in schism with the past Magisterium. This is an impediment to offering Holy Mass. They are in an 'irregular situation'.

11.The pontifical universities Regina Apostolorum and John Lateran, Rome, along with German liberal theologians offer an academic course on Ratzinger Studies. It is based upon Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally. So it is politcally correct with the Left.The Wojtyla-Ratzinger interpretation of the Council is obsolete.It does not have a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.

12.The liberalism in the Church comes with the use of the false premise which makes the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in politics  and Traditional Mission obsolete. With this liberalism in the Catholic Church today does not oppose Satanic political parties in Rome( Partito Democratico, Movimento Cinque Stelle etc).They promote homosexual unions, abortion, contraception,public immodesty, pornography on the offical media and pontifical heresy and schism in the Catholic Church.

13.Summorum Pontificum of Pope Benedict permitted the Holy Mass but only for the priests who interpreted Vatican Council II with the fake premise and so supported the New Ecclesiology which is a break with the past.

14.Matteo Salvini and the Lega political party in Italy do not know that Vatican Council II can be interpreted with the rational premise, like I interpret it.This will mean that the local bishops and the parish priests would be able to affirm the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics(Quas Primas) and the necessity to vote for a Catholic political party, to save souls from going to Hell - without any one citing Vatican Council II (irrational) in opposition.The Council interpreted with the rational premise is in the interest of the centre right political parties in Italy.So the Church's theological attitude to migrants and non Catholics would be Conciliar and also traditional on salvation.

15.Bishop Robert Barron is now as obsolete on Vatican Council II as is Massimo Faggioli.

16. Pope Francis thinks it is the Mass which makes a Catholic or seminarian 'rigid' when it really is the use of the false premise.It is no more 'only they need to enter the Church who know about it'(LG 14).Instead, it is all need to enter the Catholic Church with no known exception.Invincible ignorance is not an exception to all needing to enter the Church with faith and the baptism of water(LG 14,AG 7 etc). So we evangelize since all non Catholics are oriented to Hell without faith and the baptism of water( AG 7, LG 14 etc).The norm for salvationis faith and baptism and not invincible ignorance. When I meet a non Catholic, I cannot know if he or she is an exception to the norm.If there is an exception it could only be known to God.I know that ther non Catholic before me is oriented to Hell.(Athanasius Creed, Vatican Council II(AG 7, LG 14),Catechism of the Catholic Church( 845,846,1257), Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX etc.The non Catholic is not condemned as long as he or she is alive. There is hope.

17.The lay Catechists in my parish, Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome are forced to cheat and use a fake premise,inference and non traditional conclusion to interpret Vatican Council II.Then they emerge politically correct with the Vatican.They do not teach the young Catholics that there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church only.This is the diocese of Porta Santa Rufina, Rome under the Administration of the Archdiocese of Civitavecchia. -Lionel Andrades

Lionel Andrades

Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.

Catholic lay man in Rome,

Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?

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