Thursday, June 11, 2015

Pro-SSPX traditionalists who interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise are to meet in Italy this month

Pro-SSPX traditionalists who interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and inference brought into the Church by Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani are to meet once again this year. The Roman Forum which will be held in Italy from June 29 has been recommended by Cardinal George Pell who gave  the mandatum to teach theology to John Lamont who used Marchetti's visible-dead theory, to interpret Vatican Council II. Lamont is also active at the Roman Forum.
If John Lamont did not use the irrationality he would have to interpret Vatican Council II as being in line; in harmony with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Feeneyite version. This would not be acceptable to Cardinal Pell, the Vatican and the political Left.
Cardinal Pell has sent a posiitive message to the participants of the Forum where the Catholic Faith is compromised by persons protecting their personal interests at work etc.
Rorate Caeili cannot discuss this issue since there would be a threat to the blog owner. He could be considered anti-Semitic for suggesting that Vatican Council II is in line with Fr. Leonard Feeney on the dogma.
So presently Rorate maintains the liberal position on Vatican Council II claiming it is a break with Tradition and makes no mention of the false premise and inference used to interpret the Council.This is expedient and politically correct.
-Lionel Andrades

JUNE 13, 2014

Roman Forum Summer Conference this month will use the right hand side column in the interpretation of Vatican Council II

JUNE 1, 2014

Young Catholics will be taught objective error at the Roman Forum meeting this month
IL 1, 2015

John Lamont, Thomas Pink, Joseph Shaw remain politically correct and keep their mandatum to teach theology

Fr.John Hunwicke and Patrick Archbold expect the SSPX to also compromise the Faith with the irrational premise and conclusion

Our Lady at Medugorje : "If you only knew how much I love you you'd cry for joy"

Medugorje is in the news these days.

-Lionel Andrades

Don Bosco is a heretic for the Vicariate

I was in the library yesterday of a social institution in Rome and noticed a book published by the Salesians at the church Chiesa di Sacro Cuore, behind Termini, Rome.It was for their internal use, according to the book, but someone had left it there at the library. It set me thinking.
 Some 200 years back Don Bosco did not say that there were known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is a new theory which has come into the Church since the 1940's. 
Where are these exceptions today to Don Bosco's understanding of outside the Church there is no salvation? Where are these exceptions in real life? There are none.Every one needs to come into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.Every one.
Cardinal Marchetti Selvaggiani came out with a new theory. It was heresy.It was enforced by the Holy Office and the Archdiocese of Boston.It contradicted the magisterium before 1949. It was a doctrinal break with Don Bosco and the Salesians to follow.
A few years back I spoke to a Salesian Rector who supported Don Bosco on outside the Church there is no salvation.I reported it on this blog.I was then aware that he had received 'the phone call' and threat to his 'career' . The threat came as expected, from the Vicariate and the Vatican.The Vicariate enforces heresy. It was the same as in the Boston case in 1949. For the Vicariate in Rome, every priest has to say there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so infer:
1) they can see people in Heaven saved without Catholic Faith and the baptism of water .
2) They can see these people in Heaven today, in the present times.
3) So they conclude that there is salvation outside the Church and all do not need to formally enter the Church today . All do not need 'faith and baptism'(Ad Gentes 7)  for salvation. 
So with this irrationality, in three steps, Don Bosco would be considered a heretic today and any priest who supports him would be suspended.
There are priests who agree with me.They say the points mentioned above show there are no exceptions today to all needing to formally enter the Church for salvation ( to avoid Hell). However they are not going to say this in public.Its a sensitive subject. By sensitive they mean it is a threat to their career , lifestyle or life and also may be the same for others whom they know or depend upon.
They could be martyred.
So they will support the lie and keep their 'career'.
A religious with whom I was talking to yesterday evening found this teaching very difficult. He could not accept that all Jews, Muslims, Buddhists,Protestants and others are on the way to Hell  and there are no exceptions.I told him that this was the teaching of the Catholic Church for centuries, until 1949, when Marchetti came along with a new theory.This was too difficult for him.He was a Franciscan.The teaching of St. Francis of Assisi and numerous saints was very difficult for him in the present times.
So we have the dogma saying all need to convert with no exceptions ( Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441). We have Vatican Council II saying the same thing ( Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14) and we personally don't know anyone who is an exception, or will be an exception.And this cannot be supported, affirmed or said aloud by so many religious including the Vicariate in Rome. 1."Every one needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation and we don't know any exception ", is so difficult for them to say aloud.
2."Every one needs the baptism of water for salvation says the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 1257) and we don't know any one today saved without the baptism of water".This is so difficult for them to say.
3."The Catechism of the Catholic Church (1257) and Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) say all need the baptism of water in the Catholic Church for salvation and Dominus Iesus, Redemptoris Missio and Ut Unum Sint for example, do not mention any exceptions", is difficult for them to say.(Note: The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are not exceptions to the dogma).
So if Marchetti or Pope Benedict and Pope Francis or the Vicariate says that there are known exceptions to the dogma and so they contradict Church teachings ( CCC 1257, AG 7, LG 14, Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441) and Don Bosco -  then they have made an error. It is a factual error.-Lionel Andrades