Wednesday, February 4, 2015

Protestantism is not a path to salvation is the teaching of the Catholic Church before the Marchetti error in 1949 came into the Body of Christ

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Caleb Taylor:
How can we know Jesus' teaching when there are so many Protestant communities with different doctrines?

Answer: Well, we nee to start by looking at how much the doctrines of the Catholic Church line up with the teachings of Jesus, and the point is that they don't:

Where did Jesus teach that the we are saved by the sacraments, or by joining an organisation, or that we should pray to the saints, or that His Church would be infalible? - Remember, such teachings need to be affirmed by at least two or three witnesses in scripture so that we are clear that it was an important point that Christ was making...
 
Lionel:
Answer: Well, we nee to start by looking at how much the doctrines of the Catholic Church line up with the teachings of Jesus, and the point is that they don't.

Jesus founded one Church with set teachings.Among them was that all need the baptism of water for salvation in the community/ church which he initiated.The people of that time needed to beleive in him in that particular community.
The Bible and the Church Fathers tell us that the Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Jesus.
Jesus tells us in the Bible that he who does not beleive will be condemned.
So we know that the Catholic Church with its Sacraments and doctrines is the only Church which Jesus founded and outside this Church there is no salvation.
It is guided by the Holy Spirit.
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Where did Jesus teach that the we are saved by the sacraments, or by joining an organisation, or that we should pray to the saints, or that His Church would be infalible?
Lionel:
It was taught by the Holy Spirit in the only Church which Jesus founded.It has a continuity with popes and unity in doctrine and Tradition.
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 - Remember, such teachings need to be affirmed by at least two or three witnesses in scripture so that we are clear that it was an important point that Christ was making...

Lionel:
We have Sacred Tradition.It is confirmed by the Apostles, the Church Fathers and the Tradition which followed it.
They have been consistent.
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Protestantism is not a path to salvation is the teaching of the Catholic Church before the Marchetti error in 1949 came into the Body of Christ.
The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441) tells us Protestants are on the way to the fires of Hell. This was also the teaching of the Catholic saints including the Carmelites.
It was confirmed in Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14) which repeats the same message. All need Catholic Faith with the baptism of water for salvation and there are no exceptions.
-Lionel Andrades
 

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Faculty of Theology,Teresianum University, Rome accepts the Marchetti error : promotes Jacques Dupuis,Von Baltazar, Hick, Knitter,Sullivan and Hans Kung

 
The Faculty of Theology at the Pontifical University Teresianum, Rome endorses the Marchetti error, the irrational inference.So they  interpret Vatican Council II as a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This Carmelite university  promotes Von Baltazar, Jacques Dupuis,Hick and Knitter, according to the Handbook (2014).
 
There is a course taught by Fabrizio Bosin titled Towards a Christian Theology of Religious Pluralism : paths, ideas and authors.(Verso una teologia cristiana del pluralismo religioso : percorsi,idee,autori .5 ECTS. TS 1070 pps.117-118).
 
The contents refer to 1) a Christian theology of religions initiated by Vatican Council II. Fabrizio Bosin means Vatican Council II (LG 16,LG 8, UR 3, etc) interpreted with the Marchetti error. Since the Council does not initiate any such theology unless, the inference from Marchetti is used. 2) He then refers to the axiom ( assioma) extra ecclesiam nulla salus and not the dogma.For him,the dogma has been discarded with the Marchetti inference.It has been 'developed' as Cardinal Baldissieri said recently in another theological context.
The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance is visible and known in personal cases in the present times. This was Marchetti's idea. So there was a  contradiction to the need for 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).All now do not need it in the present times. Hypothetical cases are objective exceptions for the faculty of theology.Now the dogma is only an aphorism; a  saying. It has been superseded by a letter from a cardinal which was placed in the Denzinger by Fr.Karl Rahner S.j.
 
The title of this  course comes from the book written by Fr.Jaques Dupuis S.J to whom a Notification was issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (2001). (Towards a Christian Theology of Religious Pluralism)
 
Other pontifical universities also offer a similar course approved by the Vatican.The Gregorian Pontifical University of the Jesuits in Rome has gone a step further.They have initiated a Department for the Theology of Religions whose Director is Fr.Bryan Lobo S.J.
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This is important for the emerging one world religion, in which Christian denominations will be united.There will not be the Holy Mass as a Sacrifice .Nor will there be devotion to Our Lady. This was told by Our Lady  to  Fr.Stefano Gobbi of the Marian Movement of Priests.
 
For Dupuis, von Baltazar, Hick and Knitter most people go to Heaven.While the dogma, the Bible and Church Tradition before 1949 taught that most people go to Hell. Jesus said 'Enter through the narrow gate for the road to Hell is wide and most people take it.'(Matt.7:13).
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Most people go to Hell.They are not formal members of the Church(with faith and baptism)  and so go to Hell which has fire. ( Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441, extra ecclesiam nulla salus).The Teresianum fculty instead teaches that all do not need to be formal members of the Catholic Church for salvation.
 
The bibliography has a book by Fr.Hans Kung. Also listed is  'Salvation outside the Church?' by Fr.Francis Sullivan S.j a professor at Boston College.He rejects the Feeneyite version of the dogma with the Marchetti inference, of which he was not aware of.
St.Teresa of Avila and  St.John of the Cross affirmed the Feeneyite version of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The Teresianum rejects it. St.Teresa of Avila said all Lutherans are on the way to Hell (Life).Carmelite professors of theology  instead teach that Lutherans do not need to enter the Church to avoid Hell.There are comparitive studies of the Bhagwad Gita and St.John of Cross without mentioning that this Spanish Mystic believed non Catholics need to convert to avoid Hell.-Lionel Andrades
 
 
TS1070
Verso una teologia cristiana del pluralismo religioso: percorsi, idee, autori (4 ECTS) FABRIZIO BOSIN

Direttore italiano dell'Ufficio per l'Istruzione, l'Università e Scuole a Brescia non sarà ancora dire che extra ecclesiam nulla salus è un dogma

 Don Raffele Maiolini ,Il direttore italiano di educazione cattolica, le scuole e l'università della diocesi cattolica di Brescia dice che extra ecclesiam nulla salus è un aforisma e non un dogma.

Ho mandato il post su questo blog. 1

Probabilmente il vescovo di Brescia Mons.Luciano Monari (vedi foto) ritiene inoltre che non è un dogma, ma un aforisma, una massima, o un detto popolare
-Lionel Andrades

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January 31, 2015
Fr.Raffaele Maiolini, Director of the Office for Education, University and Schools in Brescia, Italy says extra ecclesiam nulla salus is not a dogma but an aphorism
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/frraffaele-maiolini-director-of-office.html


February 4, 2015
Italian Director of the Office for Education, University and Schools in Brescia will still not say that extra ecclesiam nulla salus is a dogma

Italian Director of the Office for Education, University and Schools in Brescia will still not say that extra ecclesiam nulla salus is a dogma

The Italian Director of Catholic education,schools and university in the Catholic diocese of Brescia says extra ecclesiam nulla salus is an aphorism and not a dogma.
I sent him the post on this blog. 1
Probably the Bishop of Brescia Mons.Luciano Monari  (see photo) also believes it is not a dogma but an aphorism, a maxim, or  a popular saying.
-Lionel Andrades
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January 31, 2015

Fr.Raffaele Maiolini, Director of the Office for Education, University and Schools in Brescia, Italy says extra ecclesiam nulla salus is not a dogma but an aphorism

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/frraffaele-maiolini-director-of-office.html