Friday, January 11, 2013

All good Catholics should reject the ADL version of Vatican Council II.This is not just an SSPX issue.


There should not be an ecclesial rupture for rejecting the irrational premise in Vatican Council II.

Canonically no Catholic is obliged to say that the dead-saved are visible to us on earth and so Vatican Council II is a break with the past.

The ADL version of Vatican Council II is based on a false premise that crept into the Church in the 1940's. It is an irrationality which is added on to the interpretation of Vatican Council II. With this added irrationality, a false premise, Vatican Council II becomes 'historic' for the ADL and modernist for us Catholics.

It is based on this subtle falsehood that Lumen Gentium 16, which mentions those saved in invincible ignorance, is considered an explicit exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It assumed first that we can see the dead alive on earth . Then it is implied by the Jewish Left that these cases are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Church's traditional understanding on other religions. First comes the premise. Then follows the theology, true or false.

Canon law does not demand of a Religious Superior or Bishop to affirm a falsehood in the interpretation of Vatican Council II. Vatican Council II could also be accepted without the false premise. Then Lumen Gentium 16 would not contradict the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church nor Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism.

A Superior of a Religious Congregation, Franciscan, Dominicans etc can affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also Vatican Council II.

Similalry Bishop Bernard Fellay of the Society of St.Pius X could affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus along with Vatican Council II (AG 7). It does not contradict the SSPX position on other religions and ecumenism. All need faith and baptism for salvation (AG 7) and Protestants, Jews and Muslims do not have Catholic Faith. They need Catholic Faith to go to Heaven and avoid Hell according to Vatican Council II.

SSPX Superiors should call attention to demands being made of them to accept Vatican Council II with a lie ; the false premise, of being able to see the dead saved who are supposed to be exceptions.They are not obliged to do so by Catholic Canon Law.

The ADL version of Vatican Council II is heresy. It is the denial of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with alleged known exceptions (of the dead being visible). It is also a denial of Vatican Council II with claims of it being a break with the past again because of being able to see the dead saved.-Lionel Andrades

The SSPX rejects the Jewish Left, Masonic interpretation of Vatican Council II,including that of the ADL
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/the-sspx-rejects-jewish-left-masonic.html#links

The Letter of the Holy Office says Non Catholics are in a condition in which they cannot be sure of their salvation--Jehanne, Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus forum

The 1949 Holy Office letter, so often quoted (and even referenced at Vatican II and the present CCC), states:
Toward the end of this same encyclical letter, when most affectionately inviting to unity those who do not belong to the body of the Catholic Church, he mentions those who "are related to the Mystical Body of the Redeemer by a certain unconscious yearning and desire," and these he by no means excludes from eternal salvation, but on the other hand states that they are in a condition "in which they cannot be sure of their salvation" since "they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Church" (AAS, 1. c., p. 243). With these wise words he reproves both those who exclude from eternal salvation all united to the Church only by implicit desire, and those who falsely assert that men can be saved equally well in every religion (cf. Pope Pius IX, Allocution, , in , n. 1641 ff.; also Pope Pius IX in the encyclical letter, , in , n. 1677).
Non-Catholics cannot be sure that they are in a state of grace, which means that we can be even less sure that they are in a state of grace, so any "ecumenism" must first begin with these words:

WE ARE COMPELLED, OUR FAITH URGING us, to believe and to hold—and we do firmly believe and simply confess—that there is one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside of which there is neither salvation nor remission of sins...Indeed we declare, say, pronounce, and define that it is altogether necessary to salvation for every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.

The Lateran, November 14, in our eighth year. As a perpetual memorial of this matter.