Thursday, December 27, 2012

Its hard for traditionalists to say they are wrong

It's hard also for non traditionalist priests.


A few years back Fr.Anthony Cekada wrote online that the supporters of Fr.Leonard Feeney were in mortal sin for denying the baptism of desire.When he understood that there is no explicit baptism of desire and so it was irrelevant if Fr.Leonard Feeney rejected the baptism of desire, he removed that internet link.


I asked him if he could kindly issue a clarification saying that he was wrong and also apologize to the communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney. He said he would not do it.


There was a traditionalist forum in which Fr.Cekada was a participant and was looked upto for comments. I 'unloaded' some of my blog posts on the forum and mentioned that Fr.Cekada was in heresy for still assuming that there are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.For him these cases are explicit in Vatican Council II and so the Council is a break with the dogma and Tradition.


I was banned on the forum. The administrators probably did not understand what I was saying and if Fr.Cekada did, he was not going to explain it in public.



Similarly it is hard for Fr.Peter Scott and Fr.Francois Laisney to admit that they are wrong or to answer questions online which will indicate that they and the SSPX are in heresy.These blog posts are read in Australia and the USA. SSPX priests understand what I have been saying.


Even after being informed Fr.Cekada would allow Catholics to remain in error and would not issue a clarification.The SSPX is now rejecting Vatican Council II because of the dead man walking error and the priests Scott and Laisney are still churning out the old nonsense on Vatican Council II.

The General Chapter Statement of the SSPX (July 19,2012) indicates that Bishop Bernard Fellay knows that there are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Can he apply this to Vatican Council II? Can he say that there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ? Can he admit that the Council does not contradict the traditional teaching on other religions?


Could the priests of the SSPX admit that they made a doctrinal error ? They were wrong in assuming that the dead who are  saved, are visible on earth and that they used this premise to influence their theology. The result was that they interpreted Vatican Council II with an irrational premise and so the Council emerged modernist.

Can they announce that we do not not know any case of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, seeds of the word, imperfect communion with the church etc and so there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II  to the traditonal understanding on  other religions ?-Lionel Andrades

SSPX IS HERETICAL ON OTHER RELIGIONS

The Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) website cannot cite a single reference from Vatican Council II which contradicts the traditional understanding of other religions- yet the priests Fr.Peter Scott, Fr.Francois Laisney and others are rejecting Vatican Council II.

The SSPX has informed the Vatican publicly that their differences over Vatican Council II are based on three subjects, other religions, ecumenism and religious liberty.

It has been a few years now and I have been saying that the SSPX has made a doctrinal error.There is no one at the SSPX U.S website , or elsewhere, who have showed me how could I be wrong.No one has posted any text.

Instead of answering the two questions I ask of them, they go into an attacking mode, against the communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney, also traditionalists.I am not using the apologetics of the traditionalists.

I have been saying that the baptism of desire has nothing to do with the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So implicit salvation in Vatican Council II, which is known only to God, cannot contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So how can Vatican Council II contradict the Church's teaching on other religions?

Ad Gentes7 supports the Church's teaching on other religions when it states all need faith and baptism for salvation.Protestants, Jews, and Muslims do not have Catholic Faith!

They cannot be saved unless they convert into the Church, before death,according to Vatican Council II.

Vatican Council II is traditional and not heretical or a rupture with the past.It's the SSPX which is heretical on this point.-Lionel Andrades


THE SSPX CANNOT CITE ANY TEXT IN VATICAN COUNCIL II WHICH CONTRADICTS THE TRADITIONAL TEACHING ON OTHER RELIGIONS- THEY HAVE TO USE THE DEAD MAN WALKING THEORY
SSPX CAN PR0VIDE NO REFERENCE IN VATICAN COUNCIL II WHICH CONTRADICTS THE TRADITIONAL UNDERSTANDING OF OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/the-sspx-cannot-cite-any-text-in.html


SSPX SELLS HERETICAL BOOK BASED ON THE IRRATIONALITY OF THE DEAD MAN WALKING THEORY
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/sspx-sells-heretical-book-based-on.html


SSPX CORRECT YOUR DOCTRINAL ERROR AND APPEAL TO THE CDF TO DO THE SAME
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/sspx-correct-your-doctrinal-error-and.html


VATICAN COUNCIL II AFFIRMS THE SOCIAL KINGSHIP OF CHRIST THE KING
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/vatican-council-ii-affirms-social.html

Fr.John Courtney Murray blew it. He didn't complete the job.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/frjohn-courtney-murray-blew-it-he-didnt.html

According to Archbishop Gerhard Muller Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was a heretic for interpreting Vatican Council II as a rupture with the past
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/according-to-archbishop-gerhard-muller.html

SSPX U.S website unable to defend SSPX on crucial point
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/sspx-us-website-unable-to-defend-sspx.html

THE SSPX CANNOT CITE ANY TEXT IN VATICAN COUNCIL II WHICH CONTRADICTS THE TRADITIONAL TEACHING ON OTHER RELIGIONS- THEY HAVE TO USE THE DEAD MAN WALKING THEORY

SSPX CAN PR0VIDE NO REFERENCE IN VATICAN COUNCIL II WHICH CONTRADICTS THE TRADITIONAL UNDERSTANDING OF OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION

On the U.S website of the SSPX a comparision is made between Tradition and Vatican Council II. The SSPX are unable to show in this comparision where does Vatican Council II contradict the Catholic Church' traditional teaching on other religions or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

The SSPX websites states:

Contrary magisterial teaching

Finally, some incoherence is readily perceived if one peruses the Council texts and compares them with Church Tradition. Is it impertinent to wonder whether we can speak of continuity in the magisterium when one accepts the following propositions side by side?

Tradition                                                  
The Church of Jesus Christ is only the Catholic Church

Vatican II

and is not only the Catholic Church.

Tradition  
The truth in religious matters is the Catholic faith alone

Vatican II

and is not the Catholic faith alone.

Tradition   
The dissident churches are not proper churches,

Vatican II

and the dissident churches are, although in a way distinct from the Catholic, true churches.

Tradition  Souls can be sanctified within the dissident communities despite of them,

Vatican II

and souls can be sanctified in them and thanks to them.

Tradition

Man has in principle no right to religious freedom to propagate error in countries (although this could be tolerated),

Vatican II

and Man has in principle a right to religious freedom and to non-Catholic propaganda.

Tradition

Human nature is not the foundation of any right to religious freedom and

Vatican II

human nature is the foundation of the right to religious freedom.

Tradition

Outside the Church there is no salvation,

Vatican II

and outside Vatican II there is no traditionalist salvation. (1)

-Lionel Andrades

1
http://www.sspx.org/sspx_and_rome/is_the_sspx_heretical_4_12-19-2012.htm    

SSPX CLAIMS TRADITION TAUGHT THAT OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION BUT VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT TEACH THIS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/sspx-claims-tradition-taught-that.html#links