Sunday, March 23, 2014

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church all non Catholics in England are on the way to Hell unless they convert

Here is a report on the Catechism of the Catholic Church.Would there be a lay organisation or a lay person who could make this public in England?
Could it be said that according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church all non Catholics in England- Hindus, Buddhists,Jews,Muslims, Protestants, Orthodox Christians etc- are on the way to Hell unless they convert into the Catholic Church ?
The Catechism of the Catholic Church 1993 says all need faith and baptism for salvation and all need to enter the Church as through a door and the Church is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the Flood (CCC 845,846).While, being saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire are not known exceptions to CCC 845-846.
If this was made known as the official teaching of the Catholic Church according to the Catechism 1993 and Vatican Council II would any one in the English dioceses be able to contradict it? No.They would not be able to contradict it.
-Lionel Andrades
 
 
 
 
Catechism of Pope Pius X and Catechism of the Catholic Church 1993 does not state there is known salvation outside the Church
According to the Catechism of Pope Pius X 1905 being sold by the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) Number 169 D (p.48) asks if there is salvation outside the Catholic Church.
The Reply is ‘No’. Outside the Catholic Church there is no one who can be saved it said, it is like no one could be saved in the Flood outside the Ark of Noah.The Ark of Noah is compared to the Catholic Church.
The Catechism of Pope Pius X has the same message as the present Catechism of the Catholic Church (845,846). CCC 845 repeats that the Church can be compared to the Ark of Noah that saves in the Flood and that God wants all people to be united in the Church.
CCC 846 is titled outside the Church there is no salvation. It quotes Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation and that all need to enter the Church as through a door.
So we have the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in CCC 845,846 as it was known to St.Robert Bellarmine, St. Antony Marie Claret, St.Maximilian Kolbe etc.
In the Catechism of the Pope Pius X P.132 D it is asked: can any one be saved in some way without the baptism of water?
The reply is that the lack of the Sacrament of Baptism could be supplied with the baptism of blood (martyrdom) or an act of perfect love for God or contrition or with an implicit desire for Baptism, this is called the Baptism of desire.
The same is said in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 847. ‘This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church…’ .
“For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament” (CCC 1259).
Both Catechisms mention the baptism of desire and neither of the two state that these cases are explicit for us. Yet the traditionalists and the liberals assume that these cases are visible to us in the flesh and so are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
For the SSPX there are known exceptions to Number 169D since the baptism of desire is not implicit but explicit for them.So is there salvation outside the Catholic Church for the SSPX in 2014 ?. YES!
The Catechism of Pope Pius X says NO but they say YES. They say YES because of known exceptions. Those saved with the baptism of desire are not invisible but visible for the SSPX priests.
This error is extended to Vatican Council II. For the SSPX, according to the books they are selling, NA 2, UR 3 etc contradict Number 169 D of the Catechism of Pope Pius X . Since NA 2, UR 3 refer to visible and not invisible cases, even though neither of the catechisms make this claim.
Neither of the two catechisms say that there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus but is assumed that there are such exceptions !
-Lionel Andrades
27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.-Catechism of Pope Pius X, 1905, Rome
-Lionel Andrades
 
 
 

SSPX PRIESTS CONTRADICT THE CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X






27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.
https://www.ewtn.com/library/CATECHSM/PIUSXCAT.HTM

No one !
 
There is no one!
 
Yet Fr. Francois Laisney says YES there are exceptions. If there are exceptions they must be known exceptions.In the book IS Feeneyism Catholic? (Angelus Press) he believes being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are exceptions to 27 Q of the Catechism of Pope Pius X.
Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Romasn Church? Yes says Fr.Laisney and the Society of St.Pius X priests.
 

27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.
-Catechism of Pope Pius X 1905,Rome.
 
No, no one!
 
Yet Fr.Jean Marie Gleeze the SSPX theologian at Econe, Switzerland says YES. Yes there are exceptions. For him being saved in imperfect communion with the Church or with a ray of that Truth(NA 2) is a know exception.He would allegedly know of a non Catholic who is an exception as such. He mentions this in a book translated into Italian and being sold by the SSPX ,Italy.
Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Romasn Church? Yes says Fr.Jean Marie Gleize since he assumes that implicit, invisible cases are explcit and visible for us.
27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.
-Catechism of Pope Pius X 1905,Rome.
 
Yes says Fr.Pierpaolo Petrucci, the District Superior of the SSPX in Albano, Italy.Similar to Fr.Jean Marie Gleize he writes in a book sold by the SSPX, Italy that there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So for him Vatican Council II has changed the Church's teaching on other religions. Since implicit cases of salvation in Heaven, known only to God, are explicit for him.
Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Romasn Church? Yes says Fr.Pierpaolo Petrucci. If one could not be saved outside the Holy Roman Catholic Church for him, then there would be no exceptions in Vatican Council to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.There are exceptions for him. So one can be saved outside the visible boundaries of the Church.
-Lionel Andrades


Catechism of Pope Pius X and Catechism of the Catholic Church 1993 does not state there is known salvation outside the Church

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Catechism of Pope Pius X and Catechism of the Catholic Church 1993 does not state there is known salvation outside the Church

According to the Catechism of Pope Pius X 1905 (Catechismo Maggiore)1 being sold by the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) Number 169 D (p.48) asks if there is salvation outside the Catholic Church.
 
The Reply is 'No'. Outside  the Catholic Church there is no one who can be saved it  said, it is like  no one could be saved in the Flood outside the Ark of Noah.The Ark of Noah is compared to the Catholic Church.
 
The Catechism of Pope Pius X has the same message as the present Catechism of the Catholic Church (845,846). CCC 845 repeats that the Church can be compared to the Ark of Noah that saves in the Flood and that God wants all people to be united in the Church.

CCC 846 is titled outside the Church there is no salvation. It quotes Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation and that all need to enter the Church as through a door.
 
So we have the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in CCC 845,846 as it was known to St.Robert Bellarmine, St. Antony Marie Claret, St.Maximillian Kolbe etc. 

In the Catechism of the Pope Pius X P.132 D it is asked: can any one be saved in some way without the baptism of water? 

The reply is that the lack of the Sacrament of Baprism could be supplied with the baptism of blood (martyrdom) or an act of perfect love for God  or contrition or with  an implicit desire for Baptism, this is called the Baptism of desire. 

The same is said in the Catechism of the Catholic Church  847. 'This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church...' .
 
 "For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament" (CCC 1259).
 
Both Catechisms mention the baptism of desire and neither of the two state that these cases are explicit for us. Yet the traditionalists and the liberals assume that these cases are visible to us in the flesh and so are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. 

For the SSPX there are known exceptions to Number 169D since the baptism of desire is not implicit but explicit for them.So is there salvation outside the Catholic Church for the SSPX in 2014 ?. YES! 

The Catechism of Pope Pius X says NO but they say YES. They say YES because of known exceptions. Those saved with the baptism of desire are not invisible but visible for the SSPX priests.

This error is extended to Vatican Council II. For the SSPX, according to the books they are selling, NA 2, UR 3 etc  contradict Number 169 D of the Catechism of Pope Pius X . Since NA 2, UR 3 refer to visible and not invisible cases, even though neither of the catechisms make this claim.

Neither of the two catechisms say that there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus but is assumed that there are such exceptions !
-Lionel Andrades
1
.Catechismo Maggiore,
promulgato da San Pio X (Edizioni Ares).
Compendio della Dottrina Cristiana prescritto da Sua Santita Pap Pio X 1905 ,Roma
 
 
27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.
https://www.ewtn.com/library/CATECHSM/PIUSXCAT.HTM