Sunday, June 14, 2015

Cardinal Gerhard Muller used a false premise and he is to evaluate Medugorje





June 5, 2013
Archbishop Gerhard Muller was using the false premise : here is the proof!

Cardinal Gerhard Muller's doctrinal error was placed on the Vatican website and found on Edward Pentin's webpage.The editors at the National Catholic Register approved it
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/cardinal-gerhard-mullers-doctrinal.html

Archbishop Thomas Gullickson, John Martigioni and Fr.Rev. Fr.P. Stefano Visintin OSB, Dean of the Faculty of Theology at the Pontifical University St.Anselm agree with me : there are no visible exceptions 

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/archbishop-thomas-gullickson-john.html


JANUARY 13, 2015

Cardinal Muller's doctrinal error placed on the Vatican website!

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/cardinal-mullers-doctrinal-error-placed.html

ARCHBISHOP GERHARD MULLER ASSUMES THAT THE DEAD WHO ARE SAVED ARE VISIBLE ON EARTH AND SO EVERY ONE DOES NOT NEED TO ENTER THE CHURCH:NCR interview

Muller-Fellay Meeting: Cardinal Muller will not accept Vatican Council II without the irrational premise and he wants the SSPX, FFI to use the false premise with the Council and Catechism ?

Vatican clarification needed that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are not explicit exceptions to the dogma and no magisterial text makes this claim.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/its-time-for-ecclesia-dei-to-begin.html

How would Pope Francis or Cardinal Muller know if Our Lady is really appearing at Medugorje ? Dogmas and doctrines are no more accepted as a measure

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/how-would-pope-francis-or-cardinal.html

Cardinal Muller has alleged apparitions like Medugorje : apparition theology for the SSPX and the Franciscans of the Immaculate http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/cardinal-muller-has-alleged-apparitions.html

MEDUGORJE PHENOMENON AT THE CDF OFFICE

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/11/medugorje-phenomenon-at-cdf-office.html

THERE CAN BE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND CARDINALS WHO USE THE IRRATIONAL ONE ARE TO JUDGE MEDUGORJE

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/there-can-be-two-interpretations-of.html

CARDINALS WHO HAVE CHANGED THE FAITH FOR POLITICAL REASONS ARE TO EVALUATE MEDUGORJE

CDF, CARDINAL CAMILIO RUINI IS IN DOCTRINAL ERROR AND HE IS TO EVALUATE MEDUGORJE DOCTRINALLY
-Lionel Andrades

Priest who travels with visionary at Medugorje for 14 years praises him





from the Eponymous Flower:

Anonymous:
  1. I spent a week at the home of one of the visionaries in Medjugorje. you have no idea how they live do not be so judgmental, most priests live more comfortably than they do. Medjugorje is a holy place of grace.
  2. I have spent many weeks over the last fourteen years traveling with Ivan. He is an inspiration; a man committed to Our Lady's Motherly work. To the detractors and slanderers, please do not make premature judgement on the alleged visionaries. In effect you are putting yourself up as 'more Catholic than the Pope'. Peace and Blessings, Fr Andrew Grace, New South Wales, Australia.
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Anonymous:

How do you know that it is a 'circus atmosphere'? Have you ever been there?(Medugorje) Here is a list of masses and devotions at Saint James parish 


The daily evening program in the church takes place from 6 to 9 pm (6 pm: Rosary, 7 pm: Holy Mass, blessing of religious articles and the glorious mysteries of the Rosary). 

Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament is held Wednesday and Saturday from 10 to 11 pm and on Thursday immediately after evening mass. 

Adoration and Veneration of the Cross take place in the church every Friday immediately after evening mass. 

During the win­ter season, the prayer program starts one hour earlier.

Every Sunday at 4 pm, a Rosary for Peace is prayed on Appari­tion Hill and every Friday at 4 pm the Way of the Cross is prayed on Cross Mountain (during winter at 2pm respectively).

The sacrament of reconciliation in various languages is avail­able every day when the evening program starts and at previ­ously arranged times.

Mass in Croatian is celebrated Sunday and holy days of obliga­tion at 8 am, 11 am and 7 pm (winter: 6 pm); on weekdays at 7:30 am and 7 pm (winter: 6 pm). 

On Saturday, Mass for Croatian pilgrims takes place at 1 pm in both winter and summer.

Holy Masses in English take place from Monday to Saturday at 10:00 am, and on Sunday & holy days of obligation at noon.

Does that seem like a 'circus' to you? You may be offending Our Lord....Have you ever been to a World Youth Day? When big groups of Catholics gather together it may seem like a circus to you, but the Holy Spirit is giving graces. Some of the caustic comments on this website detract from any of the good the website maker is trying to accomplish.

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.it/2015/06/what-has-rome-decided-about-medjuogorje.html#comment-form

The issue is identifying the Marchetti objective error.Even Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Michael Davis and others were not aware of it.



Patrick Archbald:
Any fair-minded person must admit that the Society’s positions on the topics of ecumenism, religious liberty, and collegiality at any time prior to 1960 were completely humdrum and uncontroversial restatements of obvious Catholic teaching.
Lionel:
False.
Archbishop Lefebvre like the other traditionalists accepted the irrationality of the Marchetti Letter(1949). The traditionalists were not aware that the same irrational premise and inference was used to interpret Vatican Council II.
Without the Marchetti mistake Vatican Council II is Feeneyite.
Patrick Archbold must identify the Marchetti error. Then ask himself if it is being used in Vatican Council II. Then  further ask himself if it can be avoided in the interpretation of Vatican Council II. When it is avoided is Vatican Council II a break with the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus? And if there are no exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, then would not the Council's teachings on ecumenism and  religious liberty still be the same as before 1949 ?
Would it also mean that Patrick Archbald is using Marchetti's inference in interpretating Vatican Council II, so the Council emerges as a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?
He has to think this through.
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 Is it possible a humdrum and uncontroversial statement of immutable teaching in 1960 is now controversial and even heretical in 1970 or 2015?
Lionel:
Vatican Council II emerges heretical since a false premise is used in the interpretation. The result is a break with Tradition. It is the premise which decides the interpretation. Patrick Archbald has  only to check it out for himself.
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 How can we promote a hermeneutic of continuity on the one hand and on the other say that a formerly fine presentation of Catholic teaching (within living memory of many) should now be forbidden and considered harmful or even heretical?
Lionel:
This can be done by identifying the false premise and avoiding it. It is as simple as this.For a moment put aside all that you have read about Vatican Council II. Think is it possible that there can be just one simple fact which decides if the Council is break or continuity with Tradition. This could be difficult because of all the 'programming' on this issue since the 1940's.
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It seems to me that you cannot have it both ways. 
Lionel:
 You can!!
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You cannot truly accept a hermeneutic of continuity and consider such views as harmful or heretical.
Lionel:
With a hermeneutic of continuity LG 16, LG 8, NA 2, UR 3 etc refer to invisible for us cases, objectively not seen in the present times.
With a hermeneutic of discontinuity LG 16 etc refer to visible for us cases, objectively seen on earth in the present times even though they are Heaven.This was Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani's original mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. The error was carried over into Vatican Council ( which can be interpreted both ways, rationally and irrationally) and then the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( again which can be interpreted rationally or irrationally).
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 It also suggests that the doctrinal problems that currently prevent canonical recognition are not entirely on the side of the society.
Lionel:
Without Marchetti's Mistake Vatican Council II is traditional. Doctrinally Vatican Council II supports the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX).Vatican Council II without the irrational premise, I repeat, doctrinally supports the SSPX.
Without Marchetti's Mistake Vatican Council II opposes the Vatican Curia, and the contemporary magisterium. 
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 Clearly, the Church needs to work through some issues herself.
Lionel:
Patrick Archbald needs to idenfify the Marchetti Mistake, which is a precise mistake.Then he can suggest that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith comment on it.
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None of this minimizes the seriousness of the canonical situation of the Society or seeks to justify every statement or action of the SSPX. Yet, I think it makes clear that truth is not served by referring to the SSPX as heretical and thus obviously in schism, for to do so is to embrace a hermeneutic of rupture.
Lionel:
This is not the issue.
The issue is identifying the Marchetti objective error.Even Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Michael Davis and others were not aware of it.
-Lionel Andrades

http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1783-the-sspx-and-the-hermeneutic-of-continuity