Monday, February 22, 2021
Since Kimberly and Scott Hahn accept Vatican Council II interpreted with the fake premise they would have to also accept the separation of Church and State. The two are connected
Kimberly Hahn (née Kirk; born 1957) is a Catholic apologist and author, and member of the Steubenville City Council. She is married to apologist and author Scott Hahn....On November 3, 2015, Hahn was elected to the Steubenville City Council as Councilwoman-at-Large, winning with 56% of the vote citywide.[2] She sits on the Service, Planning, Transportation and Economic Development Committees of Council.-Wikipedia
Since Kimberly and Scott Hahn accept Vatican Council II interpreted with the fake premise they would have to also accept the separation of Church and State. The two are connected.
So if Kimberly and Scott Hahn accepted Vatican Council II interpreted without the false premise they would be affirming the strict interpretation of outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation, like the Apostles and the Church Fathers.Then for them the Church and State would not be separated since all would need to be Catholic in the only true religion, to go to Heaven. This is objective reality
With Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise there are false exceptions created for the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed and the past exclusivist theology.
So since there is alleged known salvation outside the Catholic Church, non Catholics saved without the baptism of water in 1965-2021 and who are now in Heaven, not every one needs to be a member of the Church is the conclusion. Not every one needs to be a' card carrying' member of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell today is the common reason based upon Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally.
Since the Church no more teaches that outside the Church there is no salvation because of the alleged practical exceptions, traditional Mission is now meaningless. Also there is no need to proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics, as explained in Quas Primas by Pope Pius XI.People are being saved in other religions so why should the Government be Catholic? The Church and State could be separated for the common good.
This is the secular reasoning which is supported by Pope Benedict. He wrote a book presented before the Italian Senate based upon Vatican Council II having exceptions to EENS and the past exclusivism of the Church.So the expected the conclusion is that Church and State are separated.
But if LG 8, LG 16, UR 3 etc refer to only theoretical and speculative cases in 1965-2021 then they are not objective exceptions to EENS. There is nothing in the Council-text to contradict the past ecumenism of return and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX or the Catechism of the Catholic Church of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q, 27 Q).
So to save souls from going to Hell the priority would be the non separation of the Catholic Church and the State and the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics. Outside the Catholic Church there is no known salvation.So there would be the traditional call for Mission. All non Catholics were oriented to Hell without Catholic faith and the baptism of water, in the Catholic Church.
So I repeat, if Kimberly and Scott Hahn accepted Vatican Council II interpreted without the false premise they would be affirming the strict interpretation of outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation, like the Apostles and the Church Fathers.Then for them the Church and State should not be separated since all would need to be Catholic in the only true religion, to go to Heaven. This is objective reality.-Lionel Andrades
FEBRUARY 22, 2021
The phrase “Separation of Church and State” is not even found in the Constitution. So, I think it’s a complete misapplication and a twisting of religious freedom. -Kimberly Hahn
FEBRUARY 22, 2021
Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider accept Vatican Council II interpreted with a false premise to remain within the Church. This is the only choice they have. They cannot affirm Vatican Council II interpreted without the false premise and neither can they reject Vatican Council II interpreted with the false option
FEBRUARY 22, 2021
When all the cardinals and bishops interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise there is no liberalism in the Church. The traditionalist-liberal divison ends. Also collegiality is no more an issue when all the popes, cardinals and bishops have to choose only a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II which does not contradict Tradition. There is unity on doctrine and theology
FEBRUARY 22, 2021
These liberals writers are not asking Pope Francis to clarify this issue and only interpret Vatican Council II without the fake premise
FEBRUARY 22, 2021
Joe Biden , Alberto Melloni and Massimo Faggioli's interpretation of Vatican Council II is now dead
FEBRUARY 21, 2021
Pope Francis is forcing all cardinals and bishops to interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to remain in good standing with the Church. Those who do not use the fake premise to create an artificial rupture with Tradition would be considered to be outside the Church
FEBRUARY 21, 2021
I only know of a Vatican Council II which can be interpreted rationally and in harmony with Tradition, 'the law of God'.Why would I choose an irrational interpretation of the Council, Creed and Catechisms ? For me the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance always refer to hypothetical, theoretical and speculative cases.They exist only in our mind. So they are not practical exceptions to Tradition ( EENS, Creeds, Catechisms etc)
FEBRUARY 22, 2021
How can a Catholic in mortal sin remain a pope ? How can Pope Francis continue to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial documents with the objective error and continue to be the pope ? How can he impose this false interpretation of the Council, with a fake premise, upon all the cardinals and bishops ?
FEBRUARY 21, 2021
When Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II without the fake premise the conservative-liberal division ends. He cannot quote Vatican Council II to support his liberalism. The present liberalism is based upon the false interpretation of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 (LOHO) which was accepted at Vatican Council II and has become the New Theology
FEBRUARY 21, 2021
When Pope Francis said everyone had to accept Vatican Council II Massimo Faggioli criticised the traditionalists : But now we know that there is a Vatican Council II without the fake premise, which he has not used most of his life, like Pope Francis
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
Massimo Faggioli now knows that Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS so in his concept of Catholicism and Citizenship he must proclaim the necessity of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation for the salvation of souls
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
The books on Vatican Council II being sold by the SSPX at their centre in Albano and chapel in Rome are flawed. Books by Paolo Pasqualucci and SSPX priests and lay supporters have interpreted Vatican Council II with a false premise. So an artificial rupture is created with Tradition and the Council is wrongly blamed for it
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
Political Catholicism today is Catholic liberalism in harmony with the Left
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
Political Catholicism interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise and so creates a rupture with extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. Political Catholicism does not permit me to study Philosophy or Theology at the Legion of Christ seminary (PIMME) and university(UPRA) in Rome or the Beda Pontifical College,Rome, the seminary of the Catholic bishops conference of England and Wales.Neither is there permission for me to study at the Dominican University of St. Thomas Aquinas, Rome.Political Catholicism is supported by the European Union, for educational institutions in Italy
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
If LG 8 etc are not practical exceptions to EENS then there is no development of doctrine. If Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS then the Council is traditional?!
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
Vatican Council II is traditional when there is nothing in the text in the Council to contradict 16th century outside the Church there is no salvation
FEBRUARY 21, 2021
We need to interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with 'the law of God'(John 3:5, Mark 16:16) and the past popes and saints. Pope Benedict's pontificate and tenure as the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was based largely on the false interpretation of Vatican Council II. It contradicted the law of God
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
The Vatican needs to check new books written on Vatican Council II, interpreted with a false premise and identify them for Catholics. The Jesuits could do the same
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
In Vatican Council II interpreted rationally the Catholic Church today teaches that outside the Church there is no salvation
FEBRUARY 19, 2021
To reject or change the meaning of the Creed is first class heresy in the hierarchy of truths of Pope John Paul II ( Ad Tuendam Fidem) : Impediment for the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate offering Holy Mass in the basilica of Sr. Mary Majors Rome
FEBRUARY 19, 2021
If Archbishops Giacomo Morandi and Augustine di Noia offered Holy Mass in Italian at the Basilica of St. Mary Majors, Rome it could be contested canonically : there is a new version of the Nicene Creed and EENS.The Athanasius Creed is rejected
FEBRUARY 19, 2021
Una Voce and the Latin Mass Societies are interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise . So there is a rupture with Tradition . There is a break with the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Traditional Latin Mass of the 16th century and the Byzantine Greek Mass of the fourth century
FEBRUARY 19, 2021
The National Catholic Reporter(NCR) is to continue to interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a non traditional conclusion which could be avoided. They will also continue to mention Rahner, Ratzinger, Congar, Murray and others, as if they are relevant to the interpretation of the Council today.
FEBRUARY 18, 2021
Winters stokes the liberal-traditionalist division by using the false premise and then refers to the pre and post conciliar Church
FEBRUARY 17, 2021
What is the National Catholic Reporter, Crux and The Tablet going to be without Vatican Council II ? They can no longer quote the Council using a false premise. The Council does not contradict Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus, an ecumenism of return and the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q, 27Q)
FEBRUARY 17, 2021
Cardinal Raymond Burke and Archbishop Carlo Vigano still interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and so they support the traditionalist-progressivist division in the Church. This was seen in the recent statement of the French Bishops on the traditionalists not following Vatican Council II
My communication with Massimo Faggioli, John Allen, Michael Sean Winters and Joshua McElwee indicate that the whole Catholic Church can break away from the 55 -plus- years interpretation of Vatican Council II. The Council is Feeneyite with Ad Gentes 7. LG 8, LG 16 etc are not practical exceptions
FEBRUARY 16, 2021
The French bishops have to be shown that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the false premise. They will all emerge Feeneyites and traditionalists. There is no other rational choice
FEBRUARY 16, 2021
Today a pope or bishop's conference or group of cardinals can choose to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise, without confusing what is invisible as being visible and then Catechesis in the parishes will once again teach that there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church
The phrase “Separation of Church and State” is not even found in the Constitution. So, I think it’s a complete misapplication and a twisting of religious freedom. -Kimberly Hahn
DC: We have seen Catholics in office be pressured to leave their religious beliefs behind. What room is there for religion in U.S. politics?
Kimberly Hahn: I think there is a lack of understanding historically of why we have the Bill of Rights. It was not to say religion has no place in the marketplace of ideas, it was to say that the U.S. government was not going to sanction one religion and force it on the people. The phrase “Separation of Church and State” is not even found in the Constitution. So, I think it’s a complete misapplication and a twisting of religious freedom.
I think we’ve misunderstood what the founders intended, and we need to really rethink this, especially in recognition that atheism itself is its own religion; and so really, aren’t they actually imposing their religion on us? But regardless of whether or not we pursue this legally, individually, we will stand before our Lord and account for how we voted, who we supported, how we spent our funds.
DC: Is there anything else you would like to add?
KH: I would put it out there and say, “Is God putting it in your heart to run for office, to serve God and to serve the public?” Because I think it is public service, and it is sacrificial. People will not always understand you and will criticize freely, so you have to know clearly who you are and why you think the way you do, what are the principles guarding you; and you need to pray for the grace to not be prideful, so that if you make wrong decisions, you humble yourself and ask for forgiveness. If you bring all of that to bear, it’s a great witness, it really is.
We need more good people to step forward, people with a compass, people understanding the principles of leadership and service. If that’s what’s on their heart, I would say, “Throw your hat in the ring.”
https://denvercatholic.org/qa-where-faith-and-politics-intersect-kimberly-hahn/
Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider accept Vatican Council II interpreted with a false premise to remain within the Church. This is the only choice they have. They cannot affirm Vatican Council II interpreted without the false premise and neither can they reject Vatican Council II interpreted with the false option
Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider accept Vatican Council II interpreted with a false premise to remain within the Church. This is the only choice they have.
They cannot affirm Vatican Council II interpreted without the false premise and neither can they reject Vatican Council II interpreted with the false option.
This is the policy being followed by the Lefebrists and conservatives.
Michael Voris criticizes Vatican Council II but he also affirms it with the false premise for the Archbishop of Detroit, Allen Vigneron. The Archbishop and his Curia are liberals.So they onoy know of a Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise.It creates a false rupture with Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed etc. -Lionel Andrades
John Allen at Crux cannot believe that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the false premise and the Council would affirm Tradition and exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.He wrote all his books interpreting Vatican Council II with the false premise
John Allen at Crux still cannot believe that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the false premise and the Council would affirm Tradition and exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
He wrote all his books interpreting Vatican Council II with the false premise. -Lionel Andrades
These liberals writers are not asking Pope Francis to clarify this issue and only interpret Vatican Council II without the fake premise
Massimo Faggioli, John Allen, Michael Sean Winters and Joshua Elwee are not announcing in public that they believe Vatican Council II does not contradict the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) since LG 8, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, Gs 22 etc refer to only hypothetical cases in 2021.The Council was always ecclesiocentrism and so traditional. These liberals had in the past created political division, theological division, in the Church by rejecting the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed and 16th century EENS.They made these Church documents when they interpreted Vatican Council II with a false premise creating alleged practical exceptions to EENS etc.
There is no progressivist-traditionalist division when Vatican Council II is interpreted without the false premise. The Church becomes ecclesiocentric. There is an exclusivist ecclesiology which supports Tradition in general.
These liberals writers are not asking Pope Francis to clarify this issue and only interpret Vatican Council II without the fake premise.Instead they are attacking the traditionalists and asking them to accept Vatican Council II as if there is only a Vatican Council II with an irrational premise.-Lionel Andrades
The norm for salvation is faith and baptism. The norm is not speculative and imaginative cases of being saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire
The norm for salvation is faith and baptism. The norm is not speculative and imaginative cases of being saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire. -Lionel Andrades
When all the cardinals and bishops interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise there is no liberalism in the Church. The traditionalist-liberal divison ends. Also collegiality is no more an issue when all the popes, cardinals and bishops have to choose only a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II which does not contradict Tradition. There is unity on doctrine and theology
When all the cardinals and bishops interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise there is no liberalism in the Church. The traditionalist-liberal divison ends. Also collegiality is no more an issue when all the popes, cardinals and bishops have to choose only a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II which does not contradict Tradition. There is unity on doctrine and theology. - Lionel Andrades
If Pope Francis does not force all the cardinals and bishops to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise then the whole Church becomes Feeneyite on extra ecclesiam nulla salus
FEBRUARY 21, 2021
Pope Francis is forcing all cardinals and bishops to interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to remain in good standing with the Church. Those who do not use the fake premise to create an artificial rupture with Tradition would be considered to be outside the Church
Pope Francis is forcing all cardinals and bishops to interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to remain in good standing with the Church. Those who do not use the fake premise to create an artificial rupture with Tradition would be considered to be outside the Church.This is a theological epidemic in the Catholic Church. It's a doctrinal mess. The whole Church is affected like at the time of the Arian heresy.-Lionel Andrades
FEBRUARY 21, 2021
Pope Francis'interpretation of Vatican Council II is heretical.It is irrational, non Catholic and not part of the Deposit of the Faith. He must choose the rational alternative which has a continuity with Tradition.He could see LG 8, LG 16 etc as referring to hypothetical cases only in 2021
Pope Francis'interpretation of Vatican Council II is heretical.It is irrational, non Catholic and not part of the Deposit of the Faith. He must choose the rational alternative which has a continuity with Tradition.He could see LG 8, LG 16 etc as referring to hypothetical cases only in 2021.But if they are hypothetical cases then how can they contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the Jesuit Fr. Leonard Feeney ?.
So they are not practical exceptions to EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors.
Similarly the baptism of desire(LG 14) and invincible ignorance(LG 16) are not objective cases and so they are not practical exceptions to the traditional strict interpretation of EENS.
For the pope to consider what is invisible as being visible is false. It is a false premise. An inference based upon a false premise will result in a non traditional interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Choosing an objective error which violates the Principle of Non Contradiction is not Magisterial.-Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/pope-francisinterpretation-of-vatican.html
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FEBRUARY 21, 2021
When Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II without the fake premise the conservative-liberal division ends. He cannot quote Vatican Council II to support his liberalism. The present liberalism is based upon the false interpretation of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 (LOHO) which was accepted at Vatican Council II and has become the New Theology
When Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II without the fake premise the conservative-liberal division ends. He cannot quote Vatican Council II to support his liberalism.
The present liberalism is based upon the false interpretation of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 (LOHO) which was accepted at Vatican Council II and has become the New Theology.
The New Theology exists because of the false premise. Without the false premise there is no New Theology. - Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/when-pope-francis-interprets-vatican.html
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FEBRUARY 21, 2021
Pope Francis'interpretation of Vatican Council II is heretical.It is irrational, non Catholic and not part of the Deposit of the Faith. He must choose the rational alternative which has a continuity with Tradition.He could see LG 8, LG 16 etc as referring to hypothetical cases only in 2021
Pope Francis'interpretation of Vatican Council II is heretical.It is irrational, non Catholic and not part of the Deposit of the Faith. He must choose the rational alternative which has a continuity with Tradition.He could see LG 8, LG 16 etc as referring to hypothetical cases only in 2021.But if they are hypothetical cases then how can they contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the Jesuit Fr. Leonard Feeney ?.
So they are not practical exceptions to EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors.
Similarly the baptism of desire(LG 14) and invincible ignorance(LG 16) are not objective cases and so they are not practical exceptions to the traditional strict interpretation of EENS.
For the pope to consider what is invisible as being visible is false. It is a false premise. An inference based upon a false premise will result in a non traditional interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Choosing an objective error which violates the Principle of Non Contradiction is not Magisterial.-Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/pope-francisinterpretation-of-vatican.html
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FEBRUARY 21, 2021
We need to interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with 'the law of God'(John 3:5, Mark 16:16) and the past popes and saints. Pope Benedict's pontificate and tenure as the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was based largely on the false interpretation of Vatican Council II. It contradicted the law of God
We need to interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with 'the law of God'(John 3:5, Mark 16:16) and the past popes and saints. Pope Benedict's pontificate and tenure as the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was based largely on the false interpretation of Vatican Council II. It contradicted the law of God. - Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/we-need-to-interpret-vatican-council-ii.html
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FEBRUARY 21, 2021
Can a pope who interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise instead of without it( even after being informed) be a pope ? John Salza will not answer. Is Pope Francis in heresy because of Vatican Council II ? John Salza will not answer
Can a pope who interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise instead of without it( even after being informed) be a pope ? John Salza will not answer.
Is Pope Francis in heresy because of Vatican Council II ? John Salza will not answer. -Lionel Andrades
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FEBRUARY 21, 2021
When Pope Francis said everyone had to accept Vatican Council II Massimo Faggioli criticised the traditionalists : But now we know that there is a Vatican Council II without the fake premise, which he has not used most of his life, like Pope Francis
So the 55 year old liberal-traditionalist division is now fading.All are conservative who interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise. The Council is in harmony with the Athanasius Creed and there being exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.The conservative Catholics must now continue to support Catholic orthodoxy.
Liberalism, or even sedevacantism based upon Vatican Council II interpreted with a false premise, is obsolete.-Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/02/when-pope-francis-said-everyone-had-to.html
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FEBRUARY 20, 2021
Massimo Faggioli now knows that Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS so in his concept of Catholicism and Citizenship he must proclaim the necessity of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation for the salvation of souls
Massimo Faggioli now knows that Vatican Council II can be interpretd without the false premise and the Council text will no where contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and so it is important for all to be Catholic to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.So in his concept of Catholicism and Citizenship he must proclaim the necessity of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation for the salvation of the souls.
The previous ecclesial division came into the Church with the false interpretation of Vatican Council II, with a fake premise to produce a non traditional conclusion.This 55 year interpretation of Vatican Council II, he acknowledges is now obsolete.It was based upon the old interpretation of Vatican Council II that Faggiolo wrote his books on Vatican Council II and received the Congar Award.Now that has all changed.
We have found out what creates a hermeneutic of rupture with the past and we can avoid it.So when there is nothing in Vatican Council to contradict EENS then the Council is traditional.Ad Gentes 7 affirms the dogma EENS and hypothetical and theoretical cases of LG 16, UR 3, GS 22 etc are not practical exceptions.
So there is a continuity with the past exclusivist ecclesiology.The Catholic Church is still ecclesiocentric.So there is the necessity of not separating Church and State just as we do not separate Jesus from the Kingdom of God, Jesus from the Church and the Church and the Kingdom of God. The Church is the Kingdom of God present now. The Church is the Mystical Body of Jesus and will be there as the Kingdom of God in the end times, the eschatological times.
With Vatican Council II not being a rupture with EENS, the necessity arises to proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King.We can now also proclaim the necessity of the non separation of Church and State. As Faggioli says in the introduction to one of his book, there is a need need to reexamine,the relationship of Catholicism and the modern global world. This is the Catholic Church which has an exclusiveness and superiority in salvation according to the Council. Lionel Andrades
NOVEMBER 26, 2017
The Social Reign of Christ the King can be seen based on Cushingite or Feeneyite theology, Vatican Council II with the false premise or without it.
Yes reject Vatican Council II(Cushingite)which would infer that there is known salvation outside the Church and so the past ecclesiology of the Church is rejected upon which is based the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King.Vatican Council (Cushingite) must continue to be rejected by the traditionalists. All Catholics should reject it.
This is extra ecclesiam nulla salus without the premise and Vatican Council II without the premise.
NOVEMBER 22, 2017—CHRIST THE KING
https://www.abortionno.org/cbr-store/unchrist-like-christian/