With the Rational Premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II we can unite theology in Europe

 

Once Prime Minister Viktor Orban and Pope Francis affirm Vatican Council II ( Rational), they will  support the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). So the Council will not contradict EENS. There will be a return to the old theology without rejecting Vatican Council II.There reasoning will be honest and rational.

They will be telling everyone in Europe to do the same. So we will have returned to the old theology of Hungary when it was a Catholic Empire.

Now Orban supports Christian values and not the Satanic values of the European Union, but does not proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics (Quas Primas). He is also not a Catholic.

A Catholic can only affirm the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics with Vatican Council II (Rational). With Vatican Council II, irrational, EENS, has exceptions. So it is asked why have Mission etc when there is known salvation outside the Catholic Church. There are visible people saved without faith and the baptism of water. This is false. But this is how it is reasoned even by Pope Benedict.

 For me Vatican Council II is not a break with the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and Feeneyite EENS.My interpretation of the Council is honest and not political. Why should I interpret the Council with the False Premise?

  When it is said that invisible people are visible in 2022 then for people in general this would be irrational. If we say that invisible cases of the baptism of desire are invisible, in 2022, it would make sense. Since we are referring to what is common knowledge. 

Traditionalists need to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and tell people that Nostra Aetate 4  says Catholics are the new people of God and the Catechism of the Catholic Church  says the Church is like the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood (845).The Council supports only the traditionalists.

Without the False Premise the liberals cannot cite the Council.It is the end of liberalism.With the Rational Premise Pope Francis becomes a traditionalist. -Lionel Andrades

If Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise then the Council becomes Traditional and he supports Tradition and the Catholic Church becomes Traditional.: the pope becomes a traditionalist

 

 If Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise then the Council becomes Traditional and he supports Tradition and the Catholic Church becomes Traditional. 

For me Lumen Gentium 16 refers to an invisible case but for Pope Francis it is visible. For me, LG 16 (being saved in invincible ignorance) refers to a hypothetical case but for the pope it is not hypothetical. If it was hypothetical it would not contradict the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church. So he needs the exceptions.He needs the exceptions to avoid being a Feeneyite on EENS. 

Without the exceptions, he would be affirming Feeneyite EENS without rejecting Vatican Council II and would be a Rad Trad.He could be saying the same thing Bishop Athanasius Schneider said recently at Khazakhistan.

A Rad Trad Pope Francis who is honest on Vatican Council II ? What a refreshing change it would be.-Lionel Andrades

The Synods are null and void when they interpret Vatican Council II with the Fake Premise. I choose the Rational Premise to interpret the Council. Why should I interpret the Council with the Irrational Premise to create a false liberalism which is political?

 

The Synods are null and void when they interpret Vatican Council II with the Fake Premise. I choose the Rational Premise to interpret the Council. Why should I interpret the Council with the Irrational Premise to create a false liberalism which is political?

When the Synods choose the ecclesiology of Vatican Council II interpreted rationally then it is a return to Tradition. It is a return only to the old theology of the Roman Missal.

So I am free to be honest. I can choose the 

Rational Premise, Inference and Conclusion to interpret Vatican Council II and affirm Catholic Tradition.The laity at the Synods must do the same. They cannot continue with the deception now that it is public. -Lionel Andrades

OCTOBER 17, 2022

Future bishops in the USA could be Scholastic. There is no other choice. Since Vatican Council II interpreted rationally supports the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/10/future-bishops-in-usa-could-be_32.html

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Future bishops in the USA could be Scholastic. There is no other choice. Since Vatican Council II interpreted rationally supports the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

Future bishops in the USA could be Scholastic.There is no other choice. Since Vatican Council II interpreted rationally supports the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam

nulla salus. 

The Congregation for Bishops,Vatican recommends the name of bishops for the pope to decide but ultimately it is the pope who will decide. Cardinal Blaise Cupich and Cardinal Joseph Tobin among others, decide who will be a bishop. Politically they are centre-left, says John Allen jr, at Crux. They would be moderate and progressive. They will decide who are the future bishops.

But they are still interpreting Vatican Council II with the Irrational and not Rational Premise. There is only one choice. It makes the Council traditional. It supports the past exclusivist ecclesiology.

So all future bishops in the USA could be Scholastic. There is no other choice. Since Vatican Council II interpreted rationally supports the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

There can be only one ethical and rational interpretation of Vatican Council II and the liberal cardinals have to follow it.There is no other choice.  -Lionel Andrades

With the Rational Premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II we can unite theology in the whole of Europe

 Once Prime Minister Viktor Orban and Pope Francis affirm Vatican Council II ( Rational), they will  support the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). So the Council will not contradict EENS. There will be a return to the old theology without rejecting Vatican Council II.There reasoning will be honest and rational.

They will be telling everyone in Europe to do the same. So we will have returned to the old theology of Hungary when it was a Catholic Empire.

Now Orban supports Christian values and not the Satanic values of the European Union, but does not proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics (Quas Primas). He is also not a Catholic.

A Catholic can  only affirm the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics with Vatican Council II (Rational). With Vatican Council II, irrational, EENS, has exceptions. So it is asked why have Mission etc when there is known salvation outside the Catholic Church. There are visible people saved without faith and the baptism of water. This is false. But this is how it is reasoned even by Pope Benedict.

 For me Vatican Council II is not a break with the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and Feeneyite EENS.My interpretation of the Council is honest and not political.Why should I interpret the Council with the False Premise?

  When it is said that invisible people are visible in 2022 then for people in general this would be irrational. If we say that invisible cases of the baptism of desire are invisible, in 2022, it would make sense. Since we are referring to what is common knowledge. 

Traditionalists need to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and tell people that Nostra Aetate 4  says Catholics are the new people of God and the Catechism of the Catholic Church  says the Church is like the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood (845).The Council supports only the traditionalists.Without the False Premise the liberals cannot cite the Council.It is the end of liberalism.With the Rational Premise Pope Francis becomes a traditionalist.-Lionel Andrades

 

I am affirming Vatican Council II like Pope Francis and Pope Benedict but I am interpreting it with the Rational and not Irrational Premise. So our conclusions are different

 

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Lionel Andrades

Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.

 Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?

It is unethical when the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the Irrational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents.

Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission)

E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com

Twitter : @LionelAndrades1

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OCTOBER 17, 2022

Every Catholic must accept Vatican Council II.All Catholics must affirm the Council.This is obligatory.The Council can only be interpreted rationally, with the Rational Premise.There is only one option

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/10/every-catholic-must-accept-vatican.html

Trent Horn, Michael Voris and Brother Peter Dimond must interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise only.This is ethical and obligatory.

 

                                                                                                                           -Lionel Andrades

Vatican Council II interpreted rationally has a continuity with Tradition.It supports the past Magisterium.

 

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Interpreting Vatican Council II rationally with the Rational Premise is the ethical thing to do. It is Catholic.

 

-Lionel Andrades

Traditionalist and conservative Catholics must accept Vatican Council II and only interpret it with the Rational Premise.The Council is no more a break with Tradition

 

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The popes, cardinals and bishops must accept Vatican Council II and interpret it only with the rational premise

 

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Every Catholic must accept Vatican Council II with the rational option only

 

                                                                                                                            -Lionel Andrades

Every Catholic must accept Vatican Council II.The Council can only be interpreted rationally

 

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Every Catholic must accept Vatican Council II.All Catholics must affirm the Council.This is obligatory.The Council can only be interpreted rationally, with the Rational Premise.There is only one option

Every Catholic must accept Vatican Council II.All Catholics must affirm the Council.This is obligatory.The Council can only be interpreted rationally, with the Rational Premise.There is only one option.It is not the irrational option.The irrational premise is unethical and not Catholic.It is dishonest.

The Rational Premise used over centuries is inspired by the Holy Spirit.It is Magisterial.The False Premise is not Magisterial.

When the popes interpret Vatican Council II with the False Premise they are not Magisterial.They make an objective error.They confuse what is physically invisible (LG 8,14,16 etc) as being physically visible. Then they infer that these are visible examples of salvation outside the Church, non Catholics saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water. Then they conclude that Vatican Council II is a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, which had no exceptions, for the Councils which defined. So they say that Vatican Council II has brought in a new revolution, a new revelation.It has made the Athanasius Creed and the past ecclesiocentric of the Church,obsolete.

This of course is the false reasoning of the liberals and the left.We know know that if there was anyone saved outside the Church in the present times (1965-2022) it would only be known to God.We cannot meet or see someone saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance. This was the false premise of the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston.It was not Magisterial since the Holy Spirit could not make a factual mistake and contradict the past Magisterium on EENS etc.

Now that we have discovered the factual error in the Church we can interpret Vatican Council II rationally and affirm the Council in harmony with Feeneyite EENS, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, the Catechism of Pope Pius X and the Catechism of the Catholic Church of Pope John Paul II.

This is important.

SCOTT HAHN REJECTS VATICAN COUNCIL II

Since Vatican Council II (Irrational) for Scott Hahn and Michael Lofton the Bible has made a mistake. There are two versions of John 3:5.One of the past and one of the present.Two versions of the Bible?.

I interpret the Council with the Rational Premise, Feeneyism. Invisible cases of LG 8, 14 and 16 are invisible in 2022.So the Council does not contradict John 3:5(all need the baptism of water for salvation).There is no new version.

 

But in Scot Hahn and Michael Lofton's biblical scholarship Jesus’ teaching in John 3:5 and Mark 16:16 has in public to be put aside.They do not accept Vatican Council II. They do not affirm Vatican Council II in public.Otherwise they would be Feeneyite on extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Left will object.How could Scott Hahn be allowed to teach theology? The bishop will not permit it.So like the bishop Scott Hahn rejects Vatican Council II, He would know that the Council has the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.There is no other rational option He has to reject the Council, to keep his teaching job at the University of Steubenville, Department of Theology and to speak as an apologist on EWTN.-Lionel Andrades