Friday, November 25, 2016

The faithful can also pray for CMTV and hope it will not continue to compromise on doctrine and theology.

POPE FRANCIS AND THE SSPX

by Church Militant  •  ChurchMilitant.com  •  November 22, 2016    

The purpose of the Jubilee Year of Mercy was, as Pope Francis made clear, to emphasize confession.The Holy Father desired to make the sacrament of penance as widely available as possible to the faithful, ensuring the laity could access confession in as many venues as possible in order to experience the loving mercy of God. 
It is only in this light that Pope Francis' decision in 2015 to extend the ability to be absolved of the sin of abortion to the faithful who frequent SSPX chapels can be understood. It is in the same light that the Holy Father's decision to extend this ability indefinitely must be seen. 
For the Jubilee Year I had also granted that those faithful who, for various reasons, attend churches officiated by the priests of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X, can validly and licitly receive the sacramental absolution of their sins. For the pastoral benefit of these faithful, and trusting in the good will of their priests to strive with God's help for the recovery of full communion in the Catholic Church, I have personally decided to extend this faculty beyond the Jubilee Year, until further provisions are made, lest anyone ever be deprived of the sacramental sign of reconciliation through the Church's pardon. (emphasis added) ("Misericordia et Misera")
It's important to note that the Pope has not granted SSPX clergy permanent faculties to absolve sins. Rather, the Holy Father has declared that the faithful who access the sacrament through SSPX clergy may be absolved — an important distinction. 
Any priest — even defrocked or excommunicated priests — have on-the-spot faculties to absolve sins in the state of emergency, e.g., in the case of one on the verge of death. That fact does not normalize the priest's status, nor does it grant him permanent faculties to hear confessions.
The Holy Father's grant extends to the faithful who seek confession from an SSPX priest, ensuring their absolution is valid. It does not explicitly grant permanent faculties to the SSPX priests.
The Pope's generous move has changed nothing about the objective state of the SSPX: All SSPX clergy remain suspended a divinis, and therefore are forbidden according to Church law from offering the sacraments. Each time they do so, they do so in disobedience to the Holy See, and commit a mortal sin.
Lionel:
The Holy See wants the SSPX to accept Vatican Council II with an irrational premise to create a new, non traditional conclusion which is a break with Tradition. The SSPX is morally not obliged to do so.Church Militant TV has compromised and accepted Vatican Council II intepreted with hypthothetical cases being explicit in the present times. Then they infer like th Holy See that LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc are explicit exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
They should know by now( after numerous reports informing them which they have ot refuted)  that Vatican Council II can be interpreted with LG 16 etc being hypothethetical . Then the Council  is not a break with the old ecclesiology.However this would not be politically in-correct with the Archdiocese of Detroit and so Michael Voris avoids it . There is no' trapping of lies by the CMTV on this issue.
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The last official word on the status of the SSPX remains — that of Pope Benedict XVI, who said in his 2009 motu proprio "Ecclesiae Unitatem":
[It] is clear that the doctrinal questions remain, and until they are clarified the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers cannot legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church.

Lionel:Pope Benedict means that the SSPX must interpret Vatican Council II with Rahnerian theology which is based on assuming hypothetical cases are objective in the present times(2016).It is  with this new theology that has created a new doctrine that the SSPX has to accept offically.Then only it can get canonical recognistion and approval of the Jewish Left,just like CMTV has the approval of the Left.
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Although some refer to the SSPX as being in a "canonically irregular" situation, the more accurate wording is that they have "no canonical status" — just as couples living in an "irregular marriage" are in fact not married at all in the eyes of the Church.
Lionel:Like the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate the SSPX should go ahead and accept Vatican Council II without Ragnerian theology. Then they can watch how the Holy See rejects this interpretation of Vatican Council II.
In their general chapter statement of 2012 the SSPX affirmed the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with no exceptions. This is the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church. It has been rejected by the present magisterium; by ecclesiastical masonry.
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Pope Benedict also made clear the differences to be resolved are primarily doctrinal in nature, not disciplinary.
Lionel: False.The issue is still doctrinal.The two popes are liberals.
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 Many of the questions revolve around the SSPX's rejection of certain documents of Vatican II, as well as the group's attitude towards the Novus Ordo Mass, which the SSPX has said the faithful should not attend — even going so far as to claim it would be better for the faithful to stay home than fulfill their Sunday obligation at a Novus Ordo Mass.
Until these serious issues are resolved, a personal prelature remains only a distant possibility. The faithful can only pray that the SSPX will indeed return to the bosom of Holy Mother Church one day and enjoy all the graces of full communion with Rome.
Lionel:
The faithful can also pray for CMTV and hope it will not continue to compromise doctrine and theology.
-Lionel Andrades

A quale magistero si riferisce ?.

quelle che contradice di Magistero non e rilevante.
 
Lionel:A quale magistero si riferisce ?.Se si dice che il battesimo di desiderio è invisibile e non visibile (dal momento che è davvero invisibile) allora siete d'accordo con il pre -1949 magistero della Chiesa cattolica.
Se si assume che il battesimo del desiderio si riferisce a casi visibili (come la maggior parte dei cattolici di oggi pensano ), e così è un'eccezione tradizionale interpretazione del dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, allora siete d'accordo con il post-1949 magistero della Cattolica
Chiesa.
Quale ti riferisci?
John Vennari assume il battesimo di desiderio si riferisce a un'eccezione pratico per il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Lui 
sostiene il magistero della Lettera del Sant'Ufficio 1949. Così lui  respinge il magistero pre-1949.
Christopher Ferrara dice che non  ci sono ' eccezioni pratiche 'nei tempi presenti per il  dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus e così tutti hanno bisogno di entrare nella Chiesa senza eccezioni.Lui 
è in accordo con il magistero di pre-1949.-Lionel Andrades
 
 
 

Lionel:
Which magisterium are you referring to.
If you say that the baptism of desire is invisible and not visible( since it really is invisible) then you are in agreement with the pre -1949 magisterium of the Catholic Church.
If you assume that that baptism of desire refers to visible cases( as do most Catholics today) and so is an exception to the centuries old interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, then you are in agreement with the post 1949 magisterium of the Catholic Church.
Which one are you referring to?
John Vennari assumes the baptism of desire refers to a practical exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He supports the magisterium of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. So he rejects the pre-1949 magisterium.
Christopher Ferrara says there are 'no practical exceptions' in the present times to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so all need to enter the Church with no known exceptions. He is in accord with the pre-1949 magisterium.
-Lionel Andrades
 
 
 

Which magisterium are you referring to ?


 




Lionel L. Andrades
those things wich is contradictory of Magisterium si not bounding us period

Lionel:
Which magisterium are you referring to.
If you say that the baptism of desire is invisible and not visible( since it really is invisible) then you are in agreement with the pre -1949 magisterium of the Catholic Church.
If you assume that that baptism of desire refers to visible cases( as do most Catholics today) and so is an exception to the centuries old interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, then you are in agreement with the post 1949 magisterium of the Catholic Church.
Which one are you referring to?
John Vennari assumes the baptism of desire refers to a practical exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He supports the magisterium of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. So he rejects the pre-1949 magisterium.
Christopher Ferrara says there are 'no practical exceptions' in the present times to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so all need to enter the Church with no known exceptions. He is in accord with the pre-1949 magisterium.
-Lionel Andrades