Wednesday, May 1, 2013

Pope Francis’ feast of St.George statement contradicts the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity


Pope Francis has said that it is not possible to find Jesus outside the Church. He was referring not to church in general, including other Christian communities and churches, but to the "hierarchical and Catholic" church of St.Ignatius of Loyola. He quoted the great Pope Paul VI who said, "Wanting to live with Jesus without the Church, following Jesus outside of the Church, loving Jesus without the Church is an absurd dichotomy."


This is the absurd dichotomy of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity,Vatican.


According to the Council for Christian Unity(1):

But even according to Mystici corporis there are people who, although they have not yet been baptised, are subsumed under the Catholic Church because that is their express desire (DS 3921).
The Council implies here that these cases,persons, who have not yet been baptized are within the Catholic Church and they are known to us. It is implied that these are known exceptions in the present time. So of course they would be exceptions also to the pope’s statement.


This is irrational. Since Mystici Corporis does not say that we know any such case or can know any such case.These cases are invisible for us and visible only for God. They are possibilities only and not exceptions to anything.So there cannot be any known exceptions to the statement of Pope Francis.


The liberal  Council led by Cardinal Walter Kaspar was saying contrary to Pope Paul VI that there could be known people who could follow Jesus outside the Church, who could love Jesus without the Church and who could live with Jesus without the Church and who could be saved.

Then the Council for Christian Unity states:

Therefore Pius XII had condemned an exclusive interpretation of the axiom “Extra ecclesiam nulla salus” already in 1949.(1)
The Council is implying that the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 of Pope Pius XII said that those saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire are known to us and so are exceptions to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney. The Letter no where says that these cases are known to us and so are known exceptions to the traditional understanding of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They would have to be personally known to be exceptions.As John Martigioni says, 'Zero cases of something are not exceptions'. If it was said as such, then the Letter would have made a factual error. Since we cannot see the dead who are now saved and who could  allegedly be  ‘exceptions’.The dead are not visible is a fact. There can be no exceptions to the dogma since these cases are always invisible for us.So the Letter of Pope Pius XII does not contradict Pope Francis.

Pope Francis when he says "It is not possible to find Jesus outside the Church " is affirming Vatican Council II, Ad Gentes 7 which states, all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.Christian communities and churches do not have Catholic Faith. Their moral and faith teachings are different and they do not have access to the Catholic Sacraments.Pope Francis was also affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, defined by three Church Councils. He was in agreement with the Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846. Under the title Outside the Church there is no Salvation is placed Ad Gentes 7.It says all need to enter the Church 'as through a door' and 'all' need 'faith and baptism' to be saved for salvation.
-Lionel Andrades

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In the course of the Council the “subsistit in” took the place of the previous “est”.[7] It contains in nuce the whole ecumenical problem.[8] The “est” claimed that the church of Christ Jesus “is” the Catholic Church. This strict identification of the church of Christ Jesus with the Catholic Church had been represented most recently in the encyclicals Mystici corporis (1943) and Humani generis (1950).[9] But even according to Mystici corporis there are people who, although they have not yet been baptised, are subsumed under the Catholic Church because that is their express desire (DS 3921). Therefore Pius XII had condemned an exclusive interpretation of the axiom “Extra ecclesiam nulla salus” already in 1949.-Pontifical Council For Promoting Christian Unity, Vatican Nov. 11,2004, the Decree on Ecumenism Read Anew After Forty Years.

Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity claims Pope Pius XII condemned the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus :suggests those in invincible ignorance are explicitly known to us and so contradicts the dogma

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“It is not possible to find Jesus outside the Church”-Pope Francis
Pope: Mass on Feast of St. George

2013-04-23 Vatican Radio

(Vatican Radio) “It is not possible to find Jesus outside the Church”: this was Pope Francis’ message as he marked his name day, the Feast of St. George, this Tuesday celebrating Mass in the Pauline Chapel with the Cardinals present in Rome. Emer McCarthy reports:

In his homily, the Pope thanked the cardinals for coming to concelebrate with him: "Thank you - he said - because I really feel welcomed by you". Commenting on the readings of the day, the Holy Father highlighted three aspects of the Church: Its missionary activity, born of persecution; the fact that it is a Mother Church which gifts us the faith that is our identity and that you cannot find Jesus outside of the Church; the joy of belonging to the Church bringing Jesus to others. In short the joy of being an evangelizer:

Below we publish a Vatican Radio transcript and translation of the Holy Father’s Homily for Mass with the Cardinals in the Pauline Chapel.

I thank His Eminence, the Cardinal Dean, for his words: thank you very much, Your Eminence, thank you.

I also thank all of you who wanted to come today: Thank you. Because I feel welcomed by you. Thank you. I feel good with you, and I like that.

The [first] reading today makes me think that the missionary expansion of the Church began precisely at a time of persecution, and these Christians went as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, and proclaimed the Word. They had this apostolic fervor within them, and that is how the faith spread! Some, people of Cyprus and Cyrene - not these, but others who had become Christians - went to Antioch and began to speak to the Greeks too. It was a further step. And this is how the Church moved forward. Whose was this initiative to speak to the Greeks? This was not clear to anyone but the Jews. But ... it was the Holy Spirit, the One who prompted them ever forward ... But some in Jerusalem, when they heard this, became 'nervous and sent Barnabas on an "apostolic visitation": perhaps, with a little sense of humor we could say that this was the theological beginning of the Doctrine of the Faith: this apostolic visit by Barnabas. He saw, and he saw that things were going well.

And so the Church was a Mother, the Mother of more children, of many children. It became more and more of a Mother. A Mother who gives us the faith, a Mother who gives us an identity. But the Christian identity is not an identity card: Christian identity is belonging to the Church, because all of these belonged to the Church, the Mother Church. Because it is not possible to find Jesus outside the Church. The great Paul VI said: "Wanting to live with Jesus without the Church, following Jesus outside of the Church, loving Jesus without the Church is an absurd dichotomy." And the Mother Church that gives us Jesus gives us our identity that is not only a seal, it is a belonging. Identity means belonging. This belonging to the Church is beautiful.

And the third idea comes to my mind - the first was the explosion of missionary activity; the second, the Mother Church - and the third, that when Barnabas saw that crowd - the text says: " And a large number of people was added to the Lord" - when he saw those crowds, he experienced joy. " When he arrived and saw the grace of God, he rejoiced ": his is the joy of the evangelizer. It was, as Paul VI said, "the sweet and comforting joy of evangelizing." And this joy begins with a persecution, with great sadness, and ends with joy. And so the Church goes forward, as one Saint says - I do not remember which one, here - "amid the persecutions of the world and the consolations of the Lord." And thus is the life of the Church. If we want to travel a little along the road of worldliness, negotiating with the world - as did the Maccabees, who were tempted, at that time - we will never have the consolation of the Lord. And if we seek only consolation, it will be a superficial consolation, not that of the Lord: a human consolation. The Church's journey always takes place between the Cross and the Resurrection, amid the persecutions and the consolations of the Lord. And this is the path: those who go down this road are not mistaken.

Let us think today about the missionary activity of the Church: these [people] came out of themselves to go forth. Even those who had the courage to proclaim Jesus to the Greeks, an almost scandalous thing at that time. Think of this Mother Church that grows, grows with new children to whom She gives the identity of the faith, because you cannot believe in Jesus without the Church. Jesus Himself says in the Gospel: " But you do not believe, because you are not among my sheep." If we are not "sheep of Jesus," faith does not some to us. It is a rosewater faith, a faith without substance. And let us think of the consolation that Barnabas felt, which is "the sweet and comforting joy of evangelizing." And let us ask the Lord for this "parresia", this apostolic fervor that impels us to move forward, as brothers, all of us forward! Forward, bringing the name of Jesus in the bosom of Holy Mother Church, and, as St. Ignatius said, "hierarchical and Catholic." So be it.

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Rorate Caeili correspondents also believe that Vatican Council II contradicts Pope Francis