Sunday, April 23, 2023

Since Vatican Council II is an issue for the recognition of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, the community of Fr. Stefano Manelli fi., Father Immacolato M. Aquali FI the new Minister General of the Order and Father Massimiliano M. Zangherati fi the new Vicar General could tell us how do they interpret Vatican Council II. I do not interpret Vatican Council II like Corrado Gnerre and Roberto dei Mattei.

 


HOW DO THE NEW ADMINISTRATION OF THE F.I INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II ?

Since Vatican Council II is an issue for the recognition of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, the community of Fr. Stefano Manelli fi., Father Immacolato M. Aquali FI was the new Minister General of the order and Father Massimiliano M. Zangherati fi the new Vicar General could tell us how do they interpret Vatican Council II.


I do not interpret Vatican Council II like Corrado Gnerre and Roberto dei Mattei.

HOW WOULD FATHERS AQUALI AND ZANGERATTI ANSWER THESE TWO POINTS?

1.For me LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to hypothetical cases only, always. They refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2023.Is it the same for Father Immacolato M. Aquali FI and Father Massimiliano M. Zangherati fi ?

2. I affirm the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). Hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are not objective examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church in 1949-2023. So they are not practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus of the Fourth Lateran Council. They do not contradict the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. 

Do Father Aquali fi and Fr. Zangherati fi, accept the Fourth Lateran Council and also hypothetical cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc? Can they recite and affirm the Athanasius Creed?

I AFFIRM THE 1215 COUNCIL AND HYPOTHETICAL CASES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II

I attend the Novus Ordo and Latin Mass and 1.affirm the Fourth Lateran Council and 2.hypothetical cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc. which do not contradict the Fourth Lateran Council. Vatican Council II is not a break with Feeneyite EENS and the past exclusivist ecclesiology for me.

LG 8, 14, 16, UR 3 etc are always hypothetical and exist only in our mind. This is common sense. There are no defacto and practical cases in our reality. We cannot meet someone saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire. He or she if saved, would be in Heaven. So such cases do not exist in our reality to be exceptions for Feeneyite EENS i.e. EENS according to the Fourth Lateran Council and the Council of Florence (1442).- Lionel Andrades

 

Chaplet of Divine Mercy (The 3 O'Clock Prayer)

They must also make it clear to the community and Catholics at large that they are interpreting Vatican Council II with a fake premise and inference.According to Italian secular law they must not lie or deceive intentionally.So there is a problem with secular and canon law.

From left to right, Frs. Alfonso Bruno, Immacolato M. Acquali, Gianfranco Ghirlanda SJ, Massimiliano M. Zangheratti, Johnfrancis M. Lim

https://airmaria.com/2022/05/19/new-government-for-the-franciscan-friars-of-the-immaculate/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franciscan_Friars_of_the_Immaculate

The Apostolic commission for the Franciscans of the Immaculate came to an end on 13 May 2022, Father Immacolato M. Aquali FI was elected the new Minister General of the order and Father Massimiliano M. Zangherati fi was elected the new Vicar General. They were approved by the Commissar Cardinal Gianfranco Ghirlanda sj. If they continue to interpret Vatican Council II irrationally even after being informed it is dishonest.With Vatican Council II irrational they have to re-interpret and change the understanding of the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms.Changing the meaning of these Magisterial Documents is prohibited under Canon Law.According to Canon Law they must affirm Catholic beliefs and not change them. With Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally the result is heresy and schism.

They must not force Vatican Council II (irrational) upon the whole community. Instead they must choose Vatican Council II rational.

They must also make it clear to the community and Catholics at large that they are interpreting Vatican Council II with a fake premise and inference.According to Italian secular law they must not lie or deceive intentionally.So there is a problem with secular and canon law.-Lionel Andrades


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Rev. Fr. Immacolato Ma. Acquali, FI, (seated) Minister General of the Franciscans of the Immaculate is joined by (from left to right) Rev. Fr. Giuseppe Ma. Ortiz, FI, Vicar, Philippine Delegation; Rev. Fr. Januarius Ma. Tindoy, FI, Delegate Superior, Philippine Delegation; Fr. Immacolato, Minister General, Rev. Fr. Conrad Ma. Flores, FI, Local Superior, FFI Naga Community, and Fra Francisco Ma. Olofernes, FI, operations manager of DWRV 98.3 FM. The Minister General was in Naga, October 5-8, for a canonical visit of their Bicol mission and other Philippine missions. Radio Caritas Mariae (RCM) 98.3 FM since 1995 is the media apostolate of the Franciscans of the Immaculate-Bicol Mission.
https://www.bicolmail.net/single-post/minister-general-visits-bicol-mission


JULY 3, 2020

Franciscan of the Immaculate lawyers need to confirm if their clients are Catholics

There are two groups of the Franciscans of the Immaculate and both sides have their lawyers. It would be useful if their lawyers could clarify that their clients are Catholics.Presently both groups interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise creating a new understanding of the Creeds, Catechism and other Magisterial documents.

The lawyers could clarify that in general the books and articles on Vatican Council II a) are written with a false premise, inference and conclusion 2) and their clients avoid this false premise, inference and conclusion 3) and they interpret Vatican Council II rationally and in harmony with Tradition.

So without this common error, their clients are Catholics for whom LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to only hypothetical and theoretical cases. They are not personally known non Catholics saved outside the Church in 2020.
So Vatican Council II is not a rupture with exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church for their clients.Vatican Council II has a 'hermeneutic of continuity' with EENS, Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX etc.
Their client cannot legally be Catholic and consider invisible people as being visible. This is a false premise.It is a lie.
Then their inference would be wrong.Since there are no known examples of salvation outside the Church based on invisible non Catholics being visible.There would be a false conclusion with the irrational premise.It would be saying that Vatican Council II is a rupture with Tradition.
When the two communities interpret Vatican Council II with a false  premise, inference and conclusion to create a rupture with the Creeds, Catechisms and dogma EENS  then how can they legally be considered Catholics ?

According to Canon Law a Superior, Rector and Parish Priest has to be Catholic.
According to Italian secular law a Superior etc who claims he is a Catholic has to be a practising Catholic, otherwise it is telling a lie.
The judges and magistrates who work with this case have studied at universities where they interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a non traditional conclusion.This has been the objective error of the popes from Paul VI to Francis.
Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the false premise . The premise would be invisible cases of LG 8, LG 16 etc are always invisible.
So Vatican Council II would then not be a rupture with Tradition.It would be in harmony with EENS, Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, Catechism of Pope Pius X( 24 Q, 27 Q)  etc.
The Church would once again teach that it has a superiority and exclusiveness in salvation without rejecting Vatican Council II.-Lionel Andrades

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SEPTEMBER 28, 2019

Reconciliation withthe Franciscans of the Immaculate : all three groups need to interpret Magisterial documents with 'the red not being an exception to the blue'

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There could be a reconciliation between the two groups of the Franciscans of the Immaculate and the Vatican and the means is rational theology supporting traditional doctrine.All three groups can agree that Lumen Gentium does not contradict the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. They need to interpret Magisterial documents with the 'red' passages not being an exception to the 'blue'.1
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A beginning in the reconciliation can be made with the Franciscans of the Immaculate( Fr. Stefano Manelli F.I) announcing that Lumen Gentium does not contradict Tradition and especially the past ecclesiology.He would be correcting a mistake made by all the Franciscans of the Immaculate.He would be saying that the red passages in Lumen Gentium are not a rupture with the blue orthodox passages.
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This would be admitting that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the bishops of the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) also made a mistake.So did Fr. Serafino Lanzetta and Prof. Roberto dei Mattei.They interpreted red theoretical and hypothetical passages as being exceptions to the blue passages which support the past ecclesiology.This is irrational. Yet upon this irrationality is based the new theology of the Franciscans of the Immaculate.
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Even Pope Paul VI made this error. He did not interpret Vatican Council II with Lumen Gentium not being an exception to Tradition.He could have announced that the red is not an exception to the blue. But he did not do this and every one is following his error in the interpretation of the Council .
Once this error is put aside both groups can interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with the Mystics of the 16th century and the Church Fathers, the Early Church, on exclusive salvation in the Church.There would no more be a rupture with Tradition.
This would mean philosophy and theology would be constant ; the same, for the Franciscans of the Immaculate and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF).
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Presently there is a rupture. Since the CDF and the Franciscans interpret Vatican Council II irrationally.
The passages marked in red are exceptions to the passages in blue for both groups of the Franciscans and also the CDF.
Once this error is identified all three groups can choose the same theology and philosophy.
I have sent e-mails over the years to the Secretary General of the F.I,Father Alfonso Maria Bruno,  mentioning that there are no known cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I). Similarly there are no personally known cases of non Catholics saved in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc.So there are no practical and literal exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.
There has been no response but also no contradiction. I assume that all the Franciscans agree with the obvious. If any one was saved with BOD, BOB and I.I it would only be known to God. So it would not be an exception to the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX supporting the past ecclesiology.
If they all agree that there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the past teaching on the Church having an exclusiveness in salvation we are all back to the old ecclesiology supported by Vatican Council II. Vatican Council II would no more be an issue. It would not have to be rejected.-Lionel Andrades

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MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS CAN BE INTERPRETED WITH 1)THE RED PASSAGESBEING AN EXCEPTION TO THE BLUE PASSAGES OR WITH 2)THE RED PASSAGESNOT BEING AN EXCEPTION TO THE BLUE PASSAGES.THE LATTER(2) IS RATIONAL.

Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
 Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II
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Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.

They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)

Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
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 Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II
It follows that the separated Churches(23) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church.
Nevertheless, our separated brethren, whether considered as individuals or as Communities and Churches, are not blessed with that unity which Jesus Christ wished to bestow on all those who through Him were born again into one body, and with Him quickened to newness of life - that unity which the Holy Scriptures and the ancient Tradition of the Church proclaim. For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation. We believe that Our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, in order to establish the one Body of Christ on earth to which all should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God. This people of God, though still in its members liable to sin, is ever growing in Christ during its pilgrimage on earth, and is guided by God's gentle wisdom, according to His hidden designs, until it shall happily arrive at the fullness of eternal glory in the heavenly Jerusalem.-Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II
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Dignitatis Humane 1, Vatican Council II

First, the council professes its belief that God Himself has made known to mankind the way in which men are to serve Him, and thus be saved in Christ and come to blessedness. We believe that this one true religion subsists in the Catholic and Apostolic Church, to which the Lord Jesus committed the duty of spreading it abroad among all men. Thus He spoke to the Apostles: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have enjoined upon you" (Matt. 28: 19-20). On their part, all men are bound to seek the truth, especially in what concerns God and His Church, and to embrace the truth they come to know, and to hold fast to it.
This Vatican Council likewise professes its belief that it is upon the human conscience that these obligations fall and exert their binding force. The truth cannot impose itself except by virtue of its own truth, as it makes its entrance into the mind at once quietly and with power.
Religious freedom, in turn, which men demand as necessary to fulfill their duty to worship God, has to do with immunity from coercion in civil society. Therefore it leaves untouched traditional Catholic doctrine on the moral duty of men and societies toward the true religion and toward the one Church of Christ.-Dignitatis Humane 1, Vatican Council II
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 Catechism of the Catholic Church

 "Outside the Church there is no salvation"  
846
 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:  
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: 
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."

-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 
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 DOMINUS IESUS 
IV. UNICITY AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH
16.  The Lord Jesus, the only Saviour, did not only establish a simple community of disciples, but constituted the Church as a salvific mystery: he himself is in the Church and the Church is in him (cf. Jn 15:1ff.; Gal 3:28; Eph 4:15-16; Acts9:5).  Therefore, the fullness of Christ's salvific mystery belongs also to the Church, inseparably united to her Lord. Indeed, Jesus Christ continues his presence and his work of salvation in the Church and by means of the Church (cf.Col 1:24-27),47 which is his body (cf. 1 Cor 12:12-13, 27; Col 1:18).48 And thus, just as the head and members of a living body, though not identical, are inseparable, so too Christ and the Church can neither be confused nor separated, and constitute a single “whole Christ”.49 This same inseparability is also expressed in the New Testament by the analogy of the Church as the Bride of Christ (cf. 2 Cor 11:2; Eph 5:25-29; Rev 21:2,9).50
Therefore, in connection with the unicity and universality of the salvific mediation of Jesus Christ, the unicity of the Church founded by him must befirmly believed as a truth of Catholic faith. Just as there is one Christ, so there exists a single body of Christ, a single Bride of Christ: “a single Catholic and apostolic Church”.51 Furthermore, the promises of the Lord that he would not abandon his Church (cf. Mt 16:18; 28:20) and that he would guide her by his Spirit (cf. Jn 16:13) mean, according to Catholic faith, that the unicity and the unity of the Church — like everything that belongs to the Church's integrity — will never be lacking.52
The Catholic faithful are required to profess that there is an historical continuity — rooted in the apostolic succession53 — between the Church founded by Christ and the Catholic Church: “This is the single Church of Christ... which our Saviour, after his resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care (cf. Jn 21:17), commissioning him and the other Apostles to extend and rule her (cf. Mt28:18ff.), erected for all ages as ‘the pillar and mainstay of the truth' (1 Tim 3:15). This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in [subsistit in] the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him”.54  With the expression subsistit in, the Second Vatican Council sought to harmonize two doctrinal statements: on the one hand, that the Church of Christ, despite the divisions which exist among Christians, continues to exist fully only in the Catholic Church, and on the other hand, that “outside of her structure, many elements can be found of sanctification and truth”,55 that is, in those Churches and ecclesial communities which are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church.56 But with respect to these, it needs to be stated that “they derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”
-Dominus Iesus 16. 
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LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 DURING THE PONTIFICATE OF POPE PIUS XII

( This letter was  an inter office correspondence between cardinals. However the liberals placed it in the Denzinger and it has been referenced in Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It contains an objective error when it assumes invisible and unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible and known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Upon this Letter is based the New Theology.)
 We are bound by divine and Catholic faith to believe all those things which are contained in the word of God, whether it be Scripture or Tradition, and are proposed by the Church to bebelieved as divinely revealed, not only through solemn judgment but also through the ordinary and universal teaching office (, n. 1792).

Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there  is no salvation outside the Church.

However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church...
Now, among the commandments of Christ, that one holds not the least place by which we are commanded to be incorporated by baptism into the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth...
Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless  refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.

Not only did the Savior command that all nations should  enter the Church, but He also decreed the Church to be a means of salvation without which no one can enter the kingdom of eternal glory.

In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic

necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing. This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent, both in reference to the sacrament of regeneration and in reference to the sacrament of penance (, nn. 797, 807).
  Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.

However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.

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JULY 8, 2019



The Parlavra Viva Schools of Evangelisation, the Alpha Program of the Charismatic Renewal Movement, the Society of St. Pius X and the Franciscans and pilgrims at Medugorje all interpret Vatican Council II with the hypothetical and theoretical red passages being practical exceptions to the orthodox blue passages which support extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the old exclusivist ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return. If they interpreted the red passages as not being exceptions to the blue passages in Vatican Council II, then the Council would support the strict interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation, the Syllabus of Errors, the Athanasius Creed and the Catechism of Pope Pius X



 
 
 

 

   


JUNE 29, 2019

Fr Matteo Visioli Undersecretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has ordered that all religious communities interpret Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents with the red being an exception to the blue. This is obligatory also for the Franciscans of the Immaculate. They are not permitted to interpret the Council with the red not being an exception to the blue https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/06/fr-matteo-visioli-undersecretary-of.html
JUNE 29, 2019
Cardinal Kurt Koch interprets Vatican Council II interpreted with the red being an exception to the blue. He does not dare interpret the Council with the red passages not being objective exceptions to the orthodox blue passages which support EENS https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/06/cardinal-kurt-koch-interprets-vatican.html
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All these years the popes did not know that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, referred to invisible cases and so were not objective examples of salvation outside the Church, they were not exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the rest of Tradition ?

 


All these years the popes did not know that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, referred to invisible cases and so were not objective examples of salvation outside the Church, they were not exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the rest of Tradition ? - Lionel Andrades