Thursday, November 3, 2016

After Renzi approved homosexual unions there was the quake in Ammatrice.On the vigil of Pope Francis' visit to the Lutherans there was an earthquake in Norcia. What next?

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Gloria.TV News on the 3rd of November 2016


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Earthquake: Of the many churches in Norcia, Italy, none has remained undamaged after the terrible earthquake of October 30th. The Catholic journalist Cristina Siccardi notices that the disaster happened on the vigil of Pope Francis’ Lutheran prayer in Lund, Sweden, where he thanked God for the spiritual and theological gifts received through the Protestant reformation. Quote: “The Church has undergone a terrible earthquake in Lund while the houses of Our Lord collapsed in Norcia.” Norcia is the home of Saint Benedict, patron saint of Europe.


Catholics Take Note: Catholic League’s Bill Donohue has commented on how U.S. President Obama twice insulted Catholics this week by appearing on the TV shows of Samantha Bee and Bill Maher whom Donohue calls - quote – “two foul-mouthed anti-Catholic bigots”. Quote: “Someone needs to ask White House press secretary Josh Earnest why the president is giving cover to these two anti-Catholic bigots. That he chose the week before the election shows how downright hypocritical he is. We hope Catholics take note.”



Prayer Team: Barry York, a professor of pastoral theology at Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary in Pittsburgh has published his top ten suggestions for new pastors. The first suggestion: Form an external prayer team, formed by friends and family, before you arrive. The second: systematically visit with the congregation through your first year.


Servants of the Devil: Serge Abad-Gallardo is a French civil servant who belonged more than 20 years to the masonic sect of the French Grand Orient. He published to books about this experience. The first: “I knocked at the door of the Temple”. And the second: “I served Lucifer without knowing it.” Abad-Gallardo shows in these books that Freemasonry has been working for more than 300 years to undermine all Christian achievements in society. He calls Freemasonry a satanic religion.

After Renzi approved homosexual unions there was the quake in Ammatrice.On the vigil of Pope Francis' visit to the Lutherans there was an earthquake in Norcia. What next?
-Lionel Andrades

Museo delle Anime del Purgatorio - Le domande che ci pone l'aldilà

Museo delle Anime del Purgatorio - Le domande che ci pone l'aldilà

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Museo delle Anime del Purgatorio - Le domande che ci pone l'aldilà

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Aleteia 30 novembre 2015. Il museo delle anime del Purgatorio è un'esposizione di documenti e testimonianze che proverebbero l'esistenza del Purgatorio e delle anime di defunti che vi soggiornano, in attesa di ascendere in Paradiso. Il museo si trova a Roma, in lungotevere Prati, presso la sagrestia della chiesa del Sacro Cuore del Suffragio.
La chiesa del Sacro Cuore del Suffragio fu edificata nel 1890 su di un terreno acquistato da don Victor Jouët, missionario marsigliese fondatore dell'Associazione del Sacro Cuore di Gesù per il suffragio delle anime del Purgatorio; il 15 settembre 1897, pochi anni dopo la sua costruzione, scoppiò un incendio nell'edificio e una piccola cappella dedicata alla Vergine del Rosario fu devastata dalle fiamme.[1] Tra le tracce lasciate dall'incendio dietro l'altare, don Victor Jouët credette di riconoscere l'immagine di un volto umano dall'espressione infelice. La manifestazione lo spinse a credere che l'anima di un defunto in pena e condannata al Purgatorio volesse mettersi in contatto con i vivi.[1][2]
Il missionario stesso, colpito dall'avvenimento, decise di viaggiare nel resto dell'Europa per cercare documenti e testimonianze di fatti analoghi. Riuscì a raccogliere parecchi oggetti provenienti quindi non solo dall'Italia, ma anche dalla Francia, dal Belgio e dalla Germania.[3] Il materiale raccolto, il cui reperto più antico risale al 1637,[4] fu esposto nella sagrestia della chiesa e alla collezione fu dato il nome di Museo cristiano d'Oltretomba. I documenti conservati dimostrerebbero che i defunti, dovendo passare un certo periodo nel regno ultraterreno del Purgatorio allo scopo di purificarsi dai loro peccati, cercherebbero di attirare l'attenzione dei vivi per chiedere loro preghiere e messe di suffragio, affinché sia facilitato il loro passaggio in Paradiso.[2]
La collezione fu incrementata dal fondatore con la benedizione di san Pio X, convinto quest'ultimo che la collezione fosse in grado di richiamare i fedeli al loro doveri cristiani nei confronti dei defunti. La raccolta subì un drastico ridimensionamento anni dopo la morte di Victor Jouët, avvenuta nel 1912. Nel 1921, infatti, padre Gilla Vincenzo Gremigni, l'allora responsabile della chiesa,[5] volle ridurre l'esposizione dei cimeli a quelli che potessero essere ritenuti indiscutibilmente autentici ed esposti con una minore pubblicità.
La collezione è conservata in un'unica sala presso la sagrestia della chiesa del Sacro Cuore del Suffragio ove sono raccolti documenti e foto che documenterebbero le manifestazioni ultraterrene delle anime dei defunti, tra cui un libro di preghiere in cui si riconoscerebbe l'impronta di una mano impressa su una pagina, delle impronte infuocate sugli abiti talari e sulla camicia di Isabella Fornari, badessa delle Clarisse di Todi nel 1731, la federa di un cuscino impressa a fuoco dall'anima di una suora morta di tisi nel 1984, apparsa a una consorella per convincerla a pregare per la salvezza della sua anima[3] e altre reliquie tra cui le tracce lasciate dal passaggio di una donna defunta sul berretto del vedovo mentre gli chiedeva di recitare delle preghiere per affrettare il suo passaggio in Paradiso. Tra i documenti esposti si può osservare la fotocopia di una banconota da dieci lire, in parte bruciata, che lo spirito di un sacerdote trapassato avrebbe lasciato tra l'agosto e il novembre del 1920 nel monastero di San Leonardo di Montefalco, insieme ad altre ventinove banconote, per convincere i suoi confratelli a farsi dedicare una messa.[1][2]
Una delle reliquie con le impronte più nitide è la camicia da notte appartenuta a Giuseppe Leleux di Wodecq che reca impressa sulla manica la bruciatura della mano della madre morta nel 1762. L'evento sovrannaturale sarebbe avvenuto nel 1789 quando la defunta apparve al cospetto del figlio durante la notte, rimproverandolo per la vita dissoluta che stava conducendo e per il fatto di averla dimenticata nelle sue preghiere. Il figlio rimase così colpito dalle parole dello spettro da dedicarsi d'allora in poi alla Chiesa tornando sulla retta via e morendo addirittura in odore di santità.[6]

Apparizione a Mirjana del 2 novembre 2016

Apparizione a Mirjana del 2 novembre 2016

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Apparizione a Mirjana del 2 novembre 2016

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Apparizione a Mirjana del 2 novembre 2016

Irrational premises and conclusions: there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II


IRRATIONAL PREMISES
The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2016.
The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2016.
The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.
The irrational premise is assuming others could see invisible cases in the present and the past.It was assuming that the baptism of desire refers to a known case in the past.
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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSIONS
So every one does not need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church in 2016 since there are exceptions.There are known people saved without the baptism of water.
So every Protestant does not need to formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation because there are known cases in 2016 for Protestants saved 'in imperfect communion with the Church'(UR 3).
The Catholic Church has rejected Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus since there are known cases in 2016 of persons saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.
Pope Benedict XVI said that extra ecclesiam nulla salus is no more like it was for the 16th century missionaries since there is a development with Vatican Council II, LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to known cases in 2016 and so they are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Archbishop Augustine di Noia told Edward Pentin that not every one needs to enter the Church since Vatican Council II (LG 8) says there are 'elements of sanctification and truth' in other religions.So it is implied that LG 8 refers to known cases of persons saved without the baptism of water, which are exceptions to all needing to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.
Since invisible cases are visible in the present times and there are visible cases of the baptism of desire etc every one does not need to be a formal member of the Church, with faith and baptism, as was taught by Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, on extra ecclesiam nulla salus
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Now let us see the irrational and rational conclusions side by side.
 
IRRATIONAL PREMISES

The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2016.
The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2016.
The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.
The irrational premise is assuming others could see invisible cases in the present and the past.It was assuming that the baptism of desire refers to a known case in the past.
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CONCLUSIONS
IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION:
So every one does not need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church in 2016 since there are exceptions.There are known people saved without the baptism of water.
RATIONAL CONCLUSION:
So every one does need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church in 2016 since there are no exceptions.There are no known cases of people saved without the baptism of water.
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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION
So every Protestant does not need to formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation because there are known cases in 2016 for Protestants saved 'in imperfect communion with the Church'(UR 3).
RATIONAL CONCLUSION
So every Protestant does need to formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation as taught by the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus because there are known cases in 2016 of Protestants saved 'in imperfect communion with the Church'(UR 3).
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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION
The Catholic Church has rejected Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salussince there are known cases in 2016 of persons saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.
RATIONAL CONCLUSION
The Catholic Church has not rejected Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salussince there are no known cases in 2016 of persons saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.There are no visible exceptions.
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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION
Pope Benedict XVI said that extra ecclesiam nulla salus is no more like it was for the 16th century missionaries since there is a development with Vatican Council II, LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to known cases in 2016 and so they are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 
RATIONAL CONCLUSION



Pope Benedict XVI said that extra ecclesiam nulla salus is no more like it was for the 16th century missionaries since there is a development with Vatican Council II, LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to known cases in 2016 and so they are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The pope was wrong. Since there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in 2016.
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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION
Archbishop Augustine di Noia told Edward Pentin that not every one needs to enter the Church since Vatican Council II (LG 8) says there are 'elements of sanctification and truth' in other religions.So it is implied that LG 8 refers to known cases of persons saved without the baptism of water, which are exceptions to all needing to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.
 
RATIONAL CONCLUSION


Archbishop Augustine di Noia told Edward Pentin that not every one needs to enter the Church since Vatican Council II (LG 8) says there are 'elements of sanctification and truth' in other religions.So it is implied that LG 8 refers to known cases of persons saved without the baptism of water, which are exceptions to all needing to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.
He was wrong. There are no known cases in 2016 of person saved with 'elements of sanctification and truth'.So there are no exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus in Vatican Council II (LG 8).
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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION


Since invisible cases are visible in the present times and there are visible cases of the baptism of desire etc every one does not need to be a formal member of the Church, with faith and baptism, as was taught by Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.



RATIONAL CONCLUSION
Since invisible cases are NOT visible in the present times and there are NO visible cases of the baptism of desire etc every one does need to be a formal member of the Church, with faith and baptism, as was taught by Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
  
When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.
When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.
For Cardinal Ratzinger the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus is no more like it was for the 16th century missionaries. He said this in the daily Avvenire.
So for him there are exceptions.
This is Cushingism.
In the theological paper of the International Theological Commission on 'Christianity and the World Religions' he says Pope Pius XII corrected the error of Fr.Leonard Feeney on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So for the ITC there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So this is Cushingism.



Do you think that since they were using Cushingism Vatican Council II was a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ? There was known salvation outside the Church. Since there was known salvation outside the Church there are exceptions to an ecumenism of return, the need for the Social Reign of Christ the King and the need for all non Christians to formally convert into the Catholic Church.


Do you think that if they used Feeneyism as a philosophical reasoning and theology Vatican Council II would not be a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?. There was no known salvation outside the Church. Since there was no known salvation outside the Church there are no known exceptions to an ecumenism of return, the need to teach the Social Reign of Christ the King and the need for all non Christians to formally convert into the Catholic Church.
 
If all of them would accept the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted by Fr. Leonard Feeney then Vatican Council II would pastorally be in harmony with Tradition ?
 
1.Fr.Leonard Feeney said that there were no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
2.For him there were no exceptions of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.
3.For him hypothetical cases could not be objective exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in the present times.This is something objective and factual.Example, people now in Heaven allegedly saved without the baptism of water are hypothetical cases  for us. So they cannot be known exceptions on earth in the present times to the dogmatic teaching on needing to enter the Church as members.
4.Similarly if someone died allegedly without the baptism of desire in the past centuries, cannot be a known exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in 2016.
This is Feeneyism for me.
So with Feeneyism:
1.There are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus since humanly speaking there cannot be an exception. We cannot know someone who will be saved or has been saved without the baptism of water.This is something known only to God.
2.There are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus mentioned in Vatican Council II.There cannot be any physically or personally known.
3.The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance mentioned in Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) is not a known exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It refers to a hypothetical case which objectively cannot be known.
So with Feeneyism, the conclusion for me, is that there are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There cannot be any exception known to us on earth.
So in Vatican Council II there are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors ( on ecumenism and inter-religious dialogue), the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( outside the Church there is no salvation), the Nicene Creed( I believe in one known baptism for the forgivess of sins and it is the baptism of water.I do not believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins. The baptism of desire, for example, is not a known baptism in personal cases as is the baptism of water.I cannot physically repeat it. I cannot see it being given. I cannot give the baptism of desire to someone.
So if everyone would accept the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted by Fr. Leonard Feeney then Vatican Council II would pastorally be in harmony with Tradition.
-Lionel Andrades


Could you identify the irrational premise and conclusion for me ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/could-you-identify-irrational-premise.html

Do you agree that there can be an interpretation of Vatican Council II with or without an irrational premise and conclusion?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/do-you-agree-that-there-can-be.html

When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism. When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/when-irrational-premise-is-used-i-refer.html