Monday, June 18, 2012

LCWR Sisters and the Secretary of the CDF need to affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma in accord with Vatican Council II (AG 7) along with implicit baptism of desire and invincible ignorance

Archbishop J. Peter Sartain of Seattle’s position is not known on this issue. He and all the sisters who are members of the LCWR could endorse exclusive salvation being there in only the Catholic Church and there are no known exceptions in 2012.

In the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR)  'assemblies, websites, what they do or don't do' it is clear that they are denying the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They assume there are explicit exceptions to the dogma. So they also believe Vatican Council II (LG 16) denies Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II. The salvation dogma says there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church and they cannot affirm it like the Church Councils, the popes in the ordinary and extra ordinary Magisterium, Vatican Council I and II, the Catechisms of the Catholic Church and  the saints.

This is heresy. However this is also the position of the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J . The proof is there on the Vatican website of the International Theological Commission.

How can they all represent the Church when they are throwing away the centuries old interpretation of the dogma rejecting Vatican Council II (AG 7) and assume irrationally that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are explicit and known to us,as if we can phone or fax them.

There should  be a substitute functioning group for religious who deny a defined dogma and interpret Vatican Council II with a hermeneutic of rupture and a break from the dogma.

The sisters could ask the bishop delegate his opinion on this subject. Can we throw away an ex cathedra dogma, which Pope Pius XII called an ‘infallible statement’ (Letter of the Holy Office 1949) ? If they reject the literal interpretation of the dogma then  Catholics  could give up other  teachings of the Church which we are all obliged to firmly believe in.

Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has said that ‘The Congregation for Religious has an enormous task.There are new groups coming up all over the world, and there are problematic areas they have to deal with all over.'(1) So it is important for all of them, if this issue is clarified.

In the Diocese of Worcester a religious community of sisters, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary,  today affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma, reject explicit known-to-us exceptions. They endorse Vatican Council II (AG 7 etc). They have been granted canonical status. So this should be also be possible with the LCWR and the thousands of sisters associated with them.
The sisters could discuss this issue with Archbishop J.Peter Sartain. -Lionel Andrades

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LCWR SISTERS CONFUSED ON VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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LCWR SISTERS CONFUSED ON VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

In their protests supporters of the LCWR  Sisters have been saying that Vatican Council II has changed every thing.They mean Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so they are into all New Age teachings and even deny the Creed.

One of the posters of an LCWR supporter says Vatican Council II cannot be changed.They interpret Vatican Council II with an irrational argument. In their religious formation they were taught that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Explicit, known to us ? This is irrational.

They do not realize that Vatican Council II no where says that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us and so they are explicit exceptions.

So how can those saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience,seeds of the Word, imperfect communion with the church etc and who are  unknown to us, be an exception to the traditional interpretation of the dogma, which they reject?

Vatican Council II is a traditional Council if the 'exceptions' are considered implicit and not explicit.

It's ecclesiology is exclusive ecclesiocentrism. Ad Gentes 7 says there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church and all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (to avoid Hell).AG 7 indicates all New Agers and Protestants need Catholic Faith (which includes the baptism of water) to avoid Hell.This is the message of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

The Sisters are rejecting Vatican Council II (AG 7). Then they assume LG 16 is explicit and not implicit. So they deny AG 7 and the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

They reject an ex cathedra teaching (Cantate Domino, Council of Florence on extra ecclesiam nulla salus) and are not excommunicated like the OMI priest Fr.Tissa Balasuriya who denied the Immaculate Conception of Our Lady.

Can the LCWR sisters affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, along with implicit baptism of desire and invincible ignorance ?

Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican has not asked them to acknowledge Vatican Council II in accord with the dogma on exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.

The dogma is in agreement with the Catechism of the Catholic Church as long as it is understood that the baptism of desire etc is always implicit for us and explicit for God.

The LCWR sisters are rejecting the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 issued during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII which referred to 'the dogma', 'the infallible statement'.

In principle there can be non Catholics saved in (implicit to us) invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire. De facto, in reality, in the present times there are no known exceptions to everyone needing to convert into the Church for salvation.

The LCWR needs to clarify its doctrinal position on the thrice defined dogma and Vatican Council II.

There are religious sisters in Worcester,USA who affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and reject explicitly known baptism of desire and invincible ignorance.They affirm Vatican Council II according to Tradition.-Lionel Andrades

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