Thursday, October 11, 2012

Catholic Fraternity of Charismatic Covenant Communities and Fellowships affirming Jesus without the need to belong to the Catholic Church for salvation

Yesterday evening there was a talk, and prayers, held by the Catholic Fraternity of Charismatic Covenant Communities and Fellowships at the Basilica Santa Maria in Montesanto , Piazza Popolo Rome. I happened to be passing there. I went into the Church for a little while.

The work of the Catholic Fraternity of Charismatic Covenant Communities and Fellowships is appreciated. However like the woman whom I heard speaking yesterday for the Charismatic Renewal  it is always speaking about Jesus without the need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.

Jesus without the Catholic Church.

According to their website:

The Meetings of Prayer and Evangelization are organized by the Charismatic Communities of the Catholic Fraternity. The above-mentioned Meetings will be held in some Basilicas in the Centre of Rome during the works of the 13TH ORDINARY GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE SYNOD OF BISHOPS on the theme “The new evangelization for the transmission of the Christian faith”.

The purpose of these meetings is to accompany with the prayer the Holy Father Benedict and the Bishops during the works of the Synod. It will also be an opportunity to give a new announcement of the Gospel to those far and to revive the faith of those baptized.

The main inspirer for this initiative of prayer during the Synodal Celebrations was Cardinal Léon Joseph Suenens, of blessed memory, who used to summon on these occasions the leaders of the International Charismatic Renewal in Rome

Matteo Calisi is the President of the Catholic Fraternity of Charismaticn Covenant Communities and Fellowships . He is 
an international leader of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal in the Catholic Church.

Since 2002 he has been the President of the Catholic Fraternity of Charismatic Covenant Communities and Fellowships (CFCCC) Organism of Pontifical Right, recognised by the Pontifical Council for the Laity of the Holy See at San Calisto Palace in Vatican.

Till March 2004, Matteo Calisi served as Vice-President and Representative for South Europe of the International Catholic Charismatic Renewal Services (ICCRS), which has its Head-Office in Vatican. Furthermore, he was delegated to represent ICCRS at the Vatican Dicastries and to preside ICCRS Sub-Committee for Ecumenism. He was also Member of ICCRS International Doctrinal Committee and Member of the Executive European Council of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal.

ICCRS does not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and neither Vatican Council II (AG 7). They assume that those saved in invincible ignorance  etc are explicitly known to us and so are exceptions to AG 7 and the defined dogma.

According to their website in November 2001 Matteo was a moderator at the First International Colloquium about “Healing Prayer and Charismatic Renewal in the Catholic Church” and co-presided over the Second International Colloquium on the “Charisms in the Church and in the Catholic Charismatic Renewal” held in Vatican by the Pontifical Council for the Laity in co-operation with ICCRS

The Community of Jesus

Matteo is the President of Comunità di Gesù (Community of Jesus) in Bari, Italy, a Charismatic Covenant Community he founded in 1983 that has a special ecumenical sensitiveness and whose charisma irradiates also other countries such as Albania, Argentina, Romania, Belarus, Angola, Brazil, Mexico and USA. Comunità di Gesù is located in different towns in Italy and abroad. In 1992 the Community was canonically recognised as a juridical personality by Ecclesiastical Authority in the Catholic Church and since 1994 it has become member of the Catholic Fraternity of Charismatic Covenant Communities and Fellowships (CFCCCF) of Pontifical Right.

The Community of Jesus is the covering association of the worldwide branches.

The Communities of Jesus is

1. Trans-denominational: Members are accepted from all Christian faith traditions.

2. International: member communities are located around the world.

3. Christ Centered: member communities recognize that a personal relationship with Christ is the foundation of the Christian life.

4. Spirit Filled: member communities encourage the free flow of the gifts of the spirit in worship, prayer and daily living.

5. Evangelistic: member communities seek to reach out to those who do not know Christ.

6. Ambassadors of Reconciliation: member communities seek and model reconciliation between Christian denominations, desiring for all Christians to be united in Christ…

-Lionel Andrades



Meetings of prayer and evangelization in Rome

Tuesday 1st May in the 15th International Conference

Caption: With Cardinal Kurt Koch.

CHURCH-OKAYED SEERS CLAIMED 'JOURNEYS' TO AFTERLIFE, INCLUDING LEVELS OF NETHER REGION

CHURCH-OKAYED SEERS CLAIMED 'JOURNEYS' TO AFTERLIFE, INCLUDING LEVELS OF NETHER REGION

http://www.spiritdaily.net/kibehojourneys.htm

VIDEO GIRL SEES HELL AFTER SUICIDE : RETURNS TO EARTH

Archbishop Gerhard Muller indicates all Protestants at the Synod are on the way to Hell: Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II


The Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican in an interview with the National Catholic Register, about a week before the start of the Synod in Rome, has stated that those who know about the Catholic Church and yet do not enter cannot be saved. He cited Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II.


The Anglican Arcbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams  who has addressed this synod knows about the Catholic Church and yet he will not convert.According to Vatican Counciil II he is lost and so are the educated and informed Protestants participating in the Synod of bishops on the New Evangelisation.




The Archbishop has not cited these religions in particular but was speaking to the NCR with reference to  the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus .


The dogma says all non Catholics need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell and not just those who know. It specifically mentions Protestants.


The  Archbishop assumes that we know persons on earth saved in invincible ignorance and so not all need to convert but only those who know; who are not in invincible ignorance.This is a flaw. Only God can judge who knows and does not.The Archbishop assumes that the dead are visible. This is irrational! So he rejects the dogma since he assumes that there are known exceptions to it. He shrugs off the dogma as belonging to another time. The dogma of the Trinity is older than extra ecclesiam nulla salus and of course does not apply only to the fourth century.

 So Lumen Gentium 14 is correct in saying only those 'who know'. We do not know who they are.Lumen Gentium 14 is referring to those who know and who are known only to God.


The dogma and Vatican Council II (AG 7) says all need to convert for salvation. This is the official teaching of the Catholic Church. This is the teaching of the Catholic Church according to Church-texts and the Magisteriums's understanding of objective reality.

Archbishop Gerhard  Muller also indicates that Jews and Muslims, in Rome, who know about Jesus and the Catholic Church are oriented to where the 'worm does not die and the fire is never extinguished'.Non Catholics in Rome know abut the Vatican , the Holy Father.The culture and religion is Catholic in Italy. So they know about Jesus and the Church in Rome.

Protestants have the baptism of  water but do not have Catholic Faith. All need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).


According to the Archbishop Muller, the non Catholics participating at the Synod underway need to enter the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood (CC845) and the Church in which God the Father wants all people to be united (CCC 845). The Catechism is in agreement with extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.

For salvation non Catholics need to respond and enter the Catholic Church (Dominus Iesus 20) .That there can be non Catholic saved though Jesus and the Church (CCC 846) does not contradict the dogma and Ad Gentes 7 which says all need Catholic Faith  for salvation. That God is not limited to the Sacraments (CCC 1257) does not contradict the dogma and CCC1257 which also says all need the baptism of water for 'eternal beatitide' . The baptism of water presupposes an adult has Catholic faith.


It is not enough just to be able to cite Scripture and believe in Jesus. The Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.Cases of the baptism of desire, a good conscience ,seeds of the word , imperfect communion with the Church etc are not known to us in 2012.The dogma has been defined by three Church Councils and Pope Pius XIIcalled it an 'infallible teaching'.

The Sacraments of the Church are necessary for salvation especially the Sacrament of Confession and the Eucharist.

Vatican Council II indicates there must be an ecumenism of return. In ecumenism Jesus cannot be separated from the Catholic Church the only church he founded and the only one true Church.-Lionel Andrades