Friday, June 1, 2012

I affirm Vatican Council II and hold the SSPX traditional position on ecumenism and other religions

Bishop Richard Williamson says Jews need to convert for salvation but contradicts himself when he says those in invincible ignorance etc, known on earth, are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

I affirm Vatican Council II which is a traditionalist Council, since Lumen Gentium 16 is not an exception to the dogma on salvation. For the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) bishops it is an exception. So they criticize the Council.

I hold the traditional teaching on ecumenism and other religions since Vatican Council II affirms the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Ad Gentes 7).This is also the interpretation of Fr. Leonard Feeney.

 Vatican Council II and I hold the literal interpretation of the dogma. I believe all non Catholics need to convert into the Church for salvation with no known exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II.

Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II  says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water. Protestants and Orthodox Christians do not have Catholic Faith .They need to enter the Church for salvation (to avoid Hell).

If the SSPX bishops could accept that we do not know the ‘exceptions’ then they could also see Vatican Council II as a traditional Council, with the hermeneutic of continuity.-Lionel Andrades

Is the Catholic Church ecclesiocentric SSPX? It cannot be ecclesiocentric if those saved with the baptism of desire are explicitly known and not just accepted in principle.

The Society of St.Pius X professors of ecclesiology need to be asked how can the Church be ecclesiocentric if it is is accepted that those saved in invincible ignorance are known to us, instead of being known only to God.

This is the error being taught at SSPX seminaries.The Church Fathers and the Magisterial documents  only mention being saved in invincible ignorance  and implicit desire.Neither do they state that the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus has been contradicted.

Neither does the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 make this claim when it mentions ‘the dogma’ the ‘infallible statement'. The text of the dogma is the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.

If the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 assumed implicit desire is an exception to the dogma then it was  a mistake.Since if Fr. Leonard Feeney rejected the baptism of desire, in principle or fact, it is irrelevant to his literal interpretation of the dogma.

The  SSPX has made an error in ecclesiology and are ‘piutting the blaime’ on Vatican Council  II. I can accept Vatican Council  II as a traditional Council and affirm the traditional teachings on ecumenism and other religions, which is also held by the SSPX.

The  SSPX like the Vatican Curia  does not accept the Catholic Church as  ecclesiocentric since they think that there are known exceptions, in heaven and on earth, to the traditional interpretation of the dogma.

Also when they accept  that all in  general on earth need to enter the Church for salvation, they cannot say that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church, because of the‘exceptions’.

Similarly they believed that all in  general at the Assisi interfaith meeting needed to convert into the Church for salvation but could not say all with  no known exceptions need to convert.

For the SSPX bishops  Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma on exclusive salvation when it is really their interpretation that is in error.

They could not point out the error in the International Theological Commission papers during the Vatican-SSPX talks , since like Fr.Luiz Ladaria S.J and Fr. Charles Morerod O.P, the SSPX team assumed that the Church is no more ecclesiocentric. So the error is in ecclesiology, their interpretation , and they assume it is in Vatican Coucnil II with respect to other religions,ecumenism and religious  liberty.
- Lionel Andrades
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Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Bishop Charles Morerod O.P Oath of Fidelity: to dissent
Profession of Faith allows for dissent on ecclesiology and baptism

 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-bishop-charles.html#links

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION USES PREMISE THAT IS FACTUALLY INCORRECT : LIMBO
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission_29.html

The International Theological Commission's position paper Christianity and the World Religions 1997 has an objective factual error and is approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger : invincible ignorance is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commissions.html

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION ASSUMES ‘SEEDS OF THE WORD’ (VATICAN COUNCIL II ) IN OTHER RELIGIONS ARE KNOWN TO US AND THIS IS AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission.html

VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD
 RELIGIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vaticans-international-theological.html

VATICAN COUNCIL II REJECTS THE THEOLOGY OF
RELIGIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vatican-council-ii-rejects-theology-of.html

Former Secretary of the International Theological Commission holds that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance are known to us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla
salushttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/02/secretary-of-international-theological.html#links

SSPX WEBSITE: ' I believe in three baptisms for the forgiveness of sins’ ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/sspx-website-i-believe-in-three.html

WILL BISHOP BERNARD FELLAY IN THE PROFESSION OF FAITH SAY: 'I BELIEVE IN ONE BAPTISM FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/will-bishop-berbard-fellay-in.html

Bishop Fellay, Fr.Schmidberger,FSSP,Joseph Fenton seem unaware the baptism of desire is not an explicit exception to the
 dogmahttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/bishop-fellay-frschmidbergerfsspjoseph.html

BISHOP ROBERT MCKENNA AND SEDEVACANTISTS MHFM DISCUSS BAPTISM OF DESIRE NOT REALIZING THAT IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/bishop-robert-mckenna-and.html

WELL DONE SSPX! NOW YOU HAVE TIME TO REFLECT. VATICAN COUNCIL II SUPPORTS THE TRADITIONAL UNDERSTANDING OF ECUMENISM, INTER RELIGIOUS DIALOGUE AND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/well-done-sspx-now-you-have-time-to.html