Wednesday, December 21, 2011

CATHOLIC ANSWERS SUCCUMBS TO THE RICHARD CUSHING ERROR

Catholic Answers founded by Karl Keating says :'The Catechism of the Catholic Church, following historic Christian theology since the time of the early Church Fathers, refers to the Catholic Church as "the universal sacrament of salvation" (CCC 774–776), and states: "The Church in this world is the sacrament of salvation, the sign and the instrument of the communion of God and men" (CCC 780).

Many people misunderstand the nature of this teaching.

Indifferentists, going to one extreme, claim that it makes no difference what church one belongs to. Certain radical traditionalists, going to the other extreme, claim that unless one is a full-fledged, baptized member of the Catholic Church, one will be damned.

Lionel : Catholics Answers says it is wrong to believe as a Catholic that 'one needs to be a full-fledged,baptized member of the Catholic Church, one will be damned'. This is the teaching of the dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441 which Catholic Answers is here contradicting  and does not even mention. The Letter of the Holy Office referred to 'the dogma', the 'infallilble teaching'.

Catholic Answers :The following quotations from the Church Fathers give the straight story. They show that the early Church held the same position on this as the contemporary Church does—that is, while it is normatively necessary to be a Catholic to be saved (see CCC 846; Vatican II, Lumen Gentium 14),

Lionel: ‘normatively necessary’ ?. Catholic Faith with the baptism of water is needed by all with no exceptions. All people need to enter the Church (LG 14) as ‘through a door’ (CCC 846)

Catholic Answers: 'there are exceptions, and it is possible in some circumstances for people to be saved who have not been fully initiated into the Catholic Church (CCC 847).'

Lionel: There are no known defacto exceptions .
We accept the possibility of non Catholics being saved in the present times (de jure) but we do not know any partcular case.


Catholic Answers: 'Notice that the same Fathers who declare the normative necessity of being Catholic also declare the possibility of salvation for some who are not Catholics.'

Lionel:The Church Fathers declare the de facto necessity of being a Catholic and accept the possibility in principle of some who can be saved who are not visible Catholics and who are known only to God.

Catholic Answers: 'These can be saved by what later came to be known as "baptism of blood" or " baptism of desire" '
 

Lionel: These can be saved we accept as a hypothetical possibility. Since they are not known to us to imply that they are exceptions is the Richard Cushing Error.

Catholic Answers: 'The Fathers likewise affirm the possibility of salvation for those who lived before Christ and who were not part of Israel, the Old Testament People of God.'

Lionel: They were waiting in the Bosom of Abraham for the Jewish Messiah who had not come. After His Resurrection the good could go to Heaven.
Now  after the Resurrection God the Father wants all people to be united in the Catholic Church (CCC 845) .Catholics are now the Chosen People of God.

Catholic Answers: However, for those who knowingly and deliberately (that is, not out of innocent ignorance) commit the sins of heresy (rejecting divinely revealed doctrine) or schism (separating from the Catholic Church and/or joining a schismatic church), no salvation would be possible until they repented and returned to live in Catholic unity.'

Lionel: It is God who will decide who knows about Jesus and the Church and do not enter as compared to those who are in invincible ignorance. The dogma and Vatican Council II (LG 14,AG 7) tell us all need to enter the Church for salvation. There are no known exceptions.

-Lionel Andrades

Salvation Outside the Church
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/salvation-outside-the-church

MSGR.JOSEPH FENTON AND FR. WILLIAM MOST DID NOT NOTICE THE RICHARD CUSHING ERROR

Informed Catholics still assume that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are exceptions to the dogma outside the church no salvation and to Vatican Council II (LG 14,AG 7)

Apologists Msgr.Joseph Clifford Fenton and Fr.William Most just took it for granted that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance were exceptions to the dogma.

They do not seem aware of the defacto-dejure reasoning present in magisterial texts.This reasoning would have to be used also in the case of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.

Since they did not use the defacto dejure reasoning they could assume that the teaching of the baptism of desire is de fide and since it was considered a defacto exception to the dogma by the Archbishop of Boston and the Jesuits they also had to accept it as a teaching of the Church.  They would sense that this was a contradiction of the dogma.

Fr.William Most defends the error in one of his books translated into Italian. He says that some people say that the Church must have made an error once, either, when it issued the dogma or when the Letter of the Holy Office admited there were exceptions, like the baptism of desire.

Fr.Most did not mention that the Letter of the Holy Office only mentions the baptism of desire as did the Council of Trent. It does not say that the baptism of desire is ecplicitly known to us.It did not say that it was an exception to the dogma. Neither does the Council of Trent make this claim.

Msgr.Joseph Fenton and Fr.William Most are good apologists but they did not see the error being made by the Archbishop of Boston and the Jesuits with the support of the secular media. Or if they knew about it they did not write about it.Maybe Mnsgr.Fenton realized it as a quotation of his could indicate.
DID MSGR.JOSEPH C.FENTON DISCOVER THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE ARE NOT EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA ?

Due to the Cushing Error  Catholics assume that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance  are part of the dogma. The dogma does not mention any exceptions. The baptism of desire and invincible ignorance only became an issue in the 1940s.
-Lionel Andrades




IN ANALYSING THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 YOU ARE USING A DEFACTO-DEJURE ANALYSIS OR A DEFACTO-DEFACTO ANALYSIS.WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT YOUR USING ONE OF THE TWO

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/in-analysing-letter-of-holy-office-1949.html

CONFUSION OVER THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/confusion-over-letter-of-holy-office.html


REMEMBER THAT THE REPORT BY FR.WILLIAM MOST ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS NOT THE OFFICIAL TEACHING OF THE CHURCH: IT CONTAINS ERRORS AND HERESY
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/remember-that-report-by-frwilliam-most.html

CARDINAL RATZINGER DID NOT VIOLATE THE PRINCIPLE OF NON CONTRADICTION AS CATHOLICS UNITED FOR THE FAITH IMPLY
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/cardinal-ratzinger-did-not-violate

USCCB REPORT MAKES ALLOWANCE FOR THE RICHARD CUSHING ERROR

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) has placed quotations from the Catechism of the Catholic Church relevant to CCC 846 Outside the Church there is No Salvation. The USCCB does not cite the text of the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Neither does it explain how in its Notificaton on Fr.Peter C.Phan those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are defacto exceptions to everyone needing to enter the Church.

In none of the quotations from the Catechism of the Catholic Church cited by the USCCB is it said that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are exceptions to the dogma or Vatican Council II (LG 14,AG 7).

The USCCB Catechesis and Evangelisation Office probably could not cite the text of the dogma because of the error of Archbishop Richard Cushing. He assumed  those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are defacto exceptions to the dogma. This would mean that the baptism of desire is visible to us and we explicitly know cases of those saved in invincible ignorance.If this was true then it would contradict the dogma outside the church there is no salvation. The Archbishop was critical of Fr.Leonard Feeney.(1)

The USCCB has cited many quotations from the Catechism which affirm the traditional teaching of the Church on the dogma but overall a reader would be left confused since the USCCB is trying to accomodate the Cushing error which requires one to read magisterial documents and imply that the baptism of desire etc is an exception to the dogma.

Here the USCCB affirms the dogma.

816
"The sole Church of Christ [is that] which our Savior, after his Resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care, commissioning him and the other apostles to extend and rule it. . . . This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in (subsistit in) the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him."(2)

There are no references in the USCCB report to the dogma thrice defined whose text is available in the Wikipedia entry on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Wikipedia, due to the Cushing Error, assumes Lumen Gentium 16 contradicts the dogma. Lumen Gentium only refers to the Church and the possibility in principle of a person being saved in invincible ignorance.De facto,practically, we cannot meet such a person.
-Lionel Andrades

1.
 http://www.thecrimson.com/article/19...d-from-jesuit/ 
In a prepared statement for the press the former Jesuit added: "The conscience difficulty is that the diocese of Boston, under the auspices of Archbishop Cushing, and Boston College, under the auspices of Father John J. McEloney, S.J., both notably ignorant in the field of Catholic theology ... are teaching that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church." - Father Feeney Is Dismissed From Jesuit Order by Rome



2.
http://old.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9p3.shtml
The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism explains: "For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the People of God."