LUTHERANS NEED TO ENTER THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO AVOID HELL

De facto every one needs to enter the Catholic Church, Jesus’ Mystical Body to avoid Hell and there are no exceptions (that we can know of).If one says there can be de facto exceptions it would  contradict Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II, CCC 1257 and the ex cathedra dogma outside the Church there is no salvation.



I have received another e-mail (with reference to the Cardinal Bernard Law post) and here is the reply.

Praised be Jesus and Our Lady


Best advice I have is to read the section in the Baltimore catechism on Baptism by desire. A Lutheran will not go to hell if he/she follows what she/he feels is the truth to the best of his/her ability...

Lionel: This is modernism which the popes have condemned.
There is the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the Church there is no salvation) it has not been retracted or changed. Every Catholic needs to believe in an ex cathedra teaching. Since the popes have defined this dogma ex cathedra it is infallible.
So every Lutheran needs to enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

If you still say No then you are saying that dogmas are relative like the ex cathedra teaching on the Immaculate Conception of Our Lady.
You are saying that there is no objective reality at the supernatural level which is fixed and permanent. You could indicate that Hell and mortal sin are relative too.

If you believe this is a teaching of Vatican Council II please note it is your interpretation of the Council text. The Council affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as does the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Please clarify.

157. Q. How many kinds of Baptism are there?


A. There are three kinds of Baptism: Baptism of water, of desire, and of blood.


158. Q. What is Baptism of water?


A. Baptism of water is that which is given by pouring water on the head of the person to be baptized, and saying at the same time, I baptize thee in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.


159. Q. What is Baptism of desire?


A. Baptism of desire is an ardent wish to receive Baptism, and to do all that God has ordained for out salvation.


"Ardent wish" by one who has no opportunity of being baptized-for no one can baptize himself. He must be sorry for his sins and have the desire of receiving the Baptism of water as soon as he can; just as a person in mortal sin and without a priest to absolve him may, when in danger of death, save his soul from Hell by an act of perfect contrition and the firm resolution of going to confession as soon as possible.


Baptism of desire would be useful and necessary if there was no water at hand or no person to baptize; or if the one wishing to be baptized and those about him did not know exactly how Baptism was to be given-which might easily happen in pagan lands. One thing you must especially remember in giving Baptism in case of necessity: namely, that it would not do for one person to pour the water and another to say the words. The same person must do both, or the Baptism will not be valid. If you are called to baptize in case of necessity, be very careful to observe the following points, otherwise the Baptism will not be valid: use clean water and nothing but water-no other liquid would do. Say every one of the exact words: "I baptize thee in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." It would not do to say, "I baptize thee in the name of God"; or, "I baptize thee in the name of the Blessed Trinity"; nor would it do to say simply, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost," without saying, "I baptize thee." Say the words at the same time you pour the water, and be sure the water touches the skin. It would not do to pour the water simply on the hair. You must not sprinkle the water, but pour it upon the head.


When you have followed the above instructions carefully and are sure you have baptized properly, never under any circumstance repeat the Baptism on the same person. It is a sin to try to baptize more than once when you know Baptism can be given only once. The sight of the person dying and the fact that you are called for the first time may cause you to be somewhat excited; but be calm, remember the importance of the Sacrament, and you will administer it as directed. Parents should not baptize their own children in case of necessity, if there is any other person present who can validly do it. Remember those who administer Baptism contract a spiritual relationship with the person they baptize (not with his parents). If they wished, years afterwards, to marry the person they baptized, they must make this relationship known to the priest.


Sponsors are not necessary in private Baptism. A person may be sponsor for a child in Baptism without being present at the Baptism, provided someone else holds the child in his name and answers the questions he himself would answer if he were present. Such a sponsor is said to stand for the child by proxy, and he, and not the one who holds the child, is then the real godparent when, at the request of the parents or priest he has consented to be sponsor.


160. Q. What is Baptism of blood?


A. Baptism of blood is the shedding of one's blood for the faith of Christ.


Baptism of blood, called martyrdom, is received by those who were not baptized with water, but were put to death for their Catholic faith. This takes place even nowadays in pagan countries where the missionaries are trying to convert the poor natives. These pagans have to be instructed before they are baptized. They do everything required of them, let us suppose, and are waiting for the day of Baptism. Those who are being thus instructed are called Catechumens. Someday, while they are attending their instructions, the enemies of religion rush down upon them and put them to death. They do not resist, but willingly suffer death for the sake of the true religion. They are martyrs then and are baptized in their own blood; although, as we said above, blood would not do for an ordinary Baptism even when we could not get water; so that if a person drew blood from his own body and asked to be baptized with it, the Baptism would not be valid. Neither would they be martyrs if put to death not for religion or virtue but for some other reason-say political.


161. Q. Is Baptism of desire or blood sufficient to produce the effects of Baptism of water?


A. Baptism of desire or of blood is sufficient to produce the effects of the Baptism of water, if it is impossible to receive the Baptism of water.
http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/baltimore/bsacr-b.htm

Lionel: The Baptism of desire and invincible ignorance we refer to as implicit faith i.e. they are exceptions(de jure only) to the Church teaching that every one needs the Baptism of water and Catholic Faith for salvation (to avoid Hell).Pope Pius XII in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston said that ‘in certain circumstances’ a person can be saved with implicit faith.


So there can be certain circumstances;rare cases, known only to God and unknown to you and me, when a person can have a genuine baptism of desire or be in invincible ignorance. So for you and me it is only a concept. We cannot specifically name a person we know who has a genuine baptism of desire only Jesus can judge.


So we accept implicit faith de jure, in principle, as a concept only.


De facto every one needs to enter the Catholic Church, Jesus’ Mystical Body to avoid Hell and there are no exceptions (that we can know of).


If one says there can be de facto exceptions it would also contradict Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II, CCC 1257 and the ex cathedra dogma outside the Church there is no salvation.

In Christ
Lionel