Fr.William Most’s heresies augmented by a Robert J.Flummerfelt on the EWTN website
Here is EWTN.
Salvation Without the Church ?
Question from Peter D Howard on 12/10/2004:
Answer by Robert J. Flummerfelt, J.C.L. on 12/11/2004:
The Church is quite clear on salvation, but there seems to be considerable confusion in some questioners.
Is the following not correct?
In the Catholic Encyclopedia (Our Sunday Visitor) Msgr Cormac P Burke, auditor of the Roman Rota, writes: on “Extra Ecclesiam, Nulla Salus”...
“(literally, 'outside the Church, there is no salvation'). Some people have wished to understand this saying in the most literal sense: that is, that the person who is not formally a practicing Catholic cannot be saved. The Church has condemned such an interpretation (cf. Denzinger-Schönmetzer, 3870-3873).
A person who is not formally a practicing Catholic can be saved and this would be known only to God.
This does not contradict the ex cathedra dogma which says that everyone with no exception needs to formally be a member of the Catholic Church.
He is referring to the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(Haec Suprema) published in the Denzinger. He is also interpreting the Letter according to the secular media. Then he claims it is the official teaching of the Catholic Church.
The Letter supported Fr.Feeney since it mentioned the dogma as the 'infallible teaching'.It is saying all Jews in Boston need to enter the Church with no exception for salvation.
“This is not to say that the maxim is false. Properly understood, it is quite true. The Latin word extra can mean either “without” or “outside.” The correct interpretation and sense of the maxim is that we cannot be saved without the Church. It is through the Church, which carries on and makes present the salvific work of Jesus Christ in the world, that all who are saved reach heaven (even if it is perhaps only there that they realize it)....."
This is only one interpretation of the dogma (maxim).The first half refers to everyone, those saved explicitly and implicitly, being saved by Jesus and the Church (CCC 846). The second half of CCC 846 refers to all people needing to enter the Church as through a door. CCC 845 also says everyone needs to enter the Church which is like the Ark of Noah, in which all must enter. These are images used by the Church Fathers for extra ecclesiam nulla salus. EWTN leaves out this image and this reference to all needing to enter the Church formally.
Catholic liberals leave out the second part of CCC 846. This is a common problem.
As early as about 95 A.D., Pope St Clement I, wrote to the Church in Corinth: "Those who repented for their sins, appeased God in praying and received salvation, even though they were aliens to God." [Catholic Apologetics Today, 1986, Fr William G Most, p 145].
Those who repent by going for Confession can be saved .To reject an ex cathedra dogma or to change its meaning is a mortal sin. One needs absolution in the Confessional otherwise at death the person is oriented to Hell. Also a public clarification needs to made to correct the scandal.
The Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 defined that "The universal Church of the faithful is one, outside of which no one is saved." The Council of Trent, 1545-1563, pictured by dissenters as triumphant and absolutist, defined the dogma of baptism by desire thus completing what Vatican II expressed thus: "Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it." (Lumen Gentium, 14). Don't we have here a typical development of doctrine?
CCC 846 says everyone MUST enter the Church as through a door.Extra ecclesiam nulla salus!
Neither does Lumen Gentium 16 contradict the rigorist interpretation of the ex cathedra dogma. There are those who can be saved in invincible ignorance and it will be known only to God. Everyone needs to be a formal member of the Catholic Church for salvation (Ad Gentes 7,CCC 845).
There is no basis for a ‘development of the dogma’ in Vatican Council II. Vatican Council II affirms the rigorist interpretation of the infallible teaching (Ad Gentes 7). Lumen Gentium 16 refers to implicit salvation known only to God. So it does not contradict the dogma.
Also dogmas do not develop.
"Thus the Church is (in its way) as indispensable as Christ for man's salvation...as a divinely instituted means, provided a person knows that he must use this means to be saved." (The Catholic Catechism, Fr John A Hardon, SJ, 1974, p 236). Thus, just as without Christ there is no salvation, so without the Church there is no salvation. [Catechism # 846 - # 848]. The Church is "the universal sacrament of salvation." [CCC #849].
The dogma, cited by Pope Pius XII in the Hae Suprema,included in the Denzinger, says all non Catholics , ALL are going to Hell
Robert J. Flummerfelt himself is denying an ex cathedra dogma and changing its meaning and acting like the late Fr.Most, on EWTN, i.e assuming he has the interpretation of the Magisterium.The denial of an ex cathedra dogma or to change its meaning is a mortal sin.Flummerfelt and the EWTN management continue in manifest public mortal sin. Catholics in this condition are not to receive the Eucharist.
1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.
2. “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.
3. “The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS
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