'You cannot name anyone who has been declared by the Catholic Church to be in Hell. In fact the Catholic Church has not named ANYONE as being damned'

Apologist: The Cantate Domino document does not name ANYONE in particular as being damned but again talks only in hypotheticals.

Lionel: Cantate Domino speaks in general of Jews, Orthodox Christians, Protestants going to Hell if they do not convert. The text is clear.

Apologist: Based upon this you cannot name anyone who has been declared by the Catholic Church to be in Hell. In fact the Catholic Church has not named ANYONE as being damned.

Lionel: Neither can you claim that the Church considers them all in Heaven. Don't fall for that liberal line.

Apologist : You keep complaining that I have not shown you one place where the Church teaches that some specific person has been saved by extraordinary means.

Lionel: .’..not been saved by the extra ordinary means in the present’. times. The phrase ‘present times’ is important since you allege there are persons saved in invincible ignorance etc in the present times, even though there is no text in Vatican Council II which says so.

Apologist: I counter that YOU have not shown me a single instance where the Church teaches that one specific person has been damned.

Lionel:

The Church is saying here that Mohammad and all Muslims need to enter the Church for salvation. They have not. They are on the way to Hell.

This doctrine must not be set against the universal salvific will of God (cf. 1 Tim 2:4); “it is necessary to keep these two truths together, namely, the real possibility of salvation in Christ for all mankind and the necessity of the Church for this salvation”.-Dominus Iesus 20

If you say that the exceptions are the ordinary means of salvation then of course note that this is not the teaching of the Church.

If you say that Mohammad was an exception then again I would ask you how do you know.

The norm to go to Heaven according to the Church in Dominus Iesus 20 is the Church.

Above all else, it must be firmly believed that “the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5), and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door”. Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.

The Church is saying here that Mohammad and all Muslims need to enter the Church with Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water for salvation. Mohammad did not.

“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex Cathedra

The ex cathedra dogma indicates Mohammad did not convert into the Church and so is in the fires of Hell.

(This is an extract from a recent 'discussion' with an apologist via the Internet.)