Monday, April 9, 2012


Excommunicated priests could cry foul: Members of the SSPX need to appeal to the pope to affirm Vatican Council II (AG 7) in public.

It’s all there in writing.Dissent from a religious. Not a liberal priest or bishop, but Our Holy Father the pope himself.

It’s hard to believe. It was something that was a suspicion for a long time but there was no proof.Now the pope has made an error and put it in writing. He can no more stay behind the secret, confidential memos and telephone calls or cardinal - bishop proxies.

The pope’s error is not ex cathedra but it is a public error contradicting the ex cathedra statements of popes and Church Councils but worse still, to would seem for some, it’s a common sense error.

Perhaps it was inadvertant and no ill will was intended.Let us give our Holy Father the benefit of the doubt.

The error, among other things, shows that the Vatican is in no position to demand that the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) accept Vatican Council II (Jewish Left version) when the pope himself is rejecting Vatican Council II , Ad Gentes 7 and misunderstanding Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II.(1)

The SSPX on April 15, the deadline for their response to the March 16 Vatican statement, should ask the pope or the Vatican spokesman, to clarify their position on AG 7 and LG 16 and the factual error made by the pope in writing.

How can there be ‘an ecclesial rupture of painful and incalculable consequences’ when the Vatican itself cannot affirm Vatican Council II according to common sense, reason and simple objectivity.

Here’s the problem for all to see:

The Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI tells Peter Seewald in the book Light of the World- Conversations with  Peter Seewald  (Ignatius) that there is only one way of salvation and all who are saved are saved through Jesus.

This is a simple statement and acceptable. All good Catholics can agree with the Holy Father.He implies that all non Catholics are saved with the baptsm of water and Catholic Faith or, in invincible ignorance,a good conscience and other implicit forms of salvation known only to God and unknown to us.

So this is the one way of salvation.

But there is a problem here and it may not show itself unless you think it through.

The Holy Father is saying that the one way of salvation is not just Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (AG 7, Vatican Council II) but also being saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16, Vatican Council II) etc.

So when AG 7 states all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water the Holy Father says “No, Not all.”- the exceptions are those who are in invincible ignorance, a good conscience  (LG 16) etc and are saved. There are exceptions.

There are exceptions to AG 7 ?

Did Vatican Council II make a mistake?

Is Vatican Council II irrational, illogical ?

How can Vatican Council II like the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus say all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water ?

Something is wrong, somewhere?!

Now we come to the heart of the problem.The Richard Cushing Error.The objective flaw. And the Holy Father also fell for it.

It’s simple. It’s so simple that many will not believe it.

We don’t know anyone on earth saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience.

Objectively we don’t know anyone in this category.They are in Heaven and are known only to God.

So the one way of salvation is not all who are saved through Jesus and the Church as the Holy Father told Peter Seewald.

The pope assumes that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us and so they are an exception to AG 7.He also assumes that LG 16 refers to explicitly known cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and with a good conscience.

This is an objective, factual error. We cannot meet or telephone someone saved in invincible ignorance. So it is not an explicit, defacto exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus  and the centuries-old one way of salvation for all.

So when the Vatican asks the SSPX to affirm Vatican Council II the SSPX should ask the Vatican to clarify LG 16 and AG 7, what is the Vatican’s position on this objective error of the pope?

Ask the Vatican spokesman if he knows anyone personally saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience.

Catholic priests in Rome, to whom I have asked this question, say they don’t know a single such case.- Lionel Andrades

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church’s preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself “by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.- Ad Gentes 7

This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.-Lumen Gentium 14

Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.-Lumen Gentium 16

Sunday, April 8, 2012


John Kearney said...

If I took this writing seriously I think I would leave the Catholic Church, St Pius X, or any other Catholic group immediately. Am I not lucky to have been born into a Catholic Family and been baptised. Too bad about that little girl or boy in China who never heard of the Catholic Faith, lived in `invincible ignorance` and we now know was pre-detined for hell, as I was pre-destined for heaven. What a loving God we would have were this the case. Certaily we have the teaching of Jesus on baptism and a person can live in `vincible` ignorance and ignore the call of Jesus. But those who know Him must be subject to Him. Yet the little boy or girl who lived in `invincible ignorance` can be saved, and BY THE CHURCH By the saving act of Our Lord Jesus Christ on the Cross, by the Masses offered every day, by our own personal sacrifices Grace has entered the world and the Holy Spriti breathes such graces where he will. So we can say that without the Catholic Church there can be no salvation for anyone Yes, I agree, you cannot be saved simply by being a Protestant, a HIndu, a Moslem, it is only by the flow of Grace from our precious Church that salvation comes and `outside the Church there is no Salvation`. What the writer did, was put limitations on the love of God.

Catholic Mission said...

Hell is a reality of God's justice and not just a limitation on the love of God.

Tell the Truth by Michael Voris, Real Catholic