Wednesday, May 23, 2012

It was Hans Kung who originally said after Vatican Council II that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus so there is no infallibility of the pope

It was Fr. Hans Kung who originally said that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus so there is no infallibility of the pope. Since the dogma says every one needs to convert and Vatican Council II says otherwise.Now we know that we do not know anyone saved in invincible ignoracne etc. So LG 16 is not at exception to the dogma or AG 7. AG 7 says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation. ALL includes Jews.So Vatican Council II is in agreement with the SSPX position on ecumenism and other religions and does not any more agree with Kung and liberals interpretation with their known to us cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance.

CARDINAL KURT KOCH AND FR.HANS KUNG
Fr.Hans Kung with his latest press statement and Cardinal Kurt Koch must realize that the Bible, Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says all need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.

Cardinal Koch, the President of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity and relations with the Jews, Vatican stated (May 16, 2012, Angelicum University,Rome) :


While Catholics profess that, in the end, all salvation will be accomplished through Jesus Christ, “it does not necessarily follow that the Jews are excluded from God’s salvation because they do not believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel and the son of God,” the cardinal said. “That the Jews are participants in God’s salvation is theologically unquestionable, but how that can be possible without confessing Christ explicitly is and remains an unfathomable divine mystery.” (1)
The cardinal is actually telling the Catholic News Service 'Catholics profess that, in the end, all salvation will be accomplished through Jesus Christ....’ He does not say that Jews need to convert in the present time but that at some future time unknown to him they will be saved through Jesus Christ. Note they will be saved by Jesus Christ in their religion and will not have to convert even then too.

The SSPX is expected to maintain this un Biblical teaching (John 3:5, Mk.6:16) contrary to Vatican Council II (AG 7) and other magisterial documents (Dominus Iesus 20 etc) just like Fr.Hans Kung.

Cardinal Koch added “it does not necessarily follow that the Jews are excluded from God’s salvation because they do not believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel and the son of God,”. This completely ignores Vatican Council II.Vatican Council II says all Jews need to convert for salvation (AG 7) but the cardinal cannot mention this.More important even the SSPX will not be able to mention it if they want to remain in the Catholic Church.

The cardinal even believes that Jews can be saved in general in the present time without entering the Church and believing in Jesus. He throws away also the teachings of St.Thomas Aquinas besides Vatican Council II.

The Catholic Church’s relationship to Judaism as taught by the Second Vatican Council and the interpretations and developments of that teaching by subsequent popes, “are binding on a Catholic,” said the Vatican official responsible for relations with the Jews. He means it is binding on a Catholic to accept the interpretation of Vatican Council II approved by Israel and liberal rabbis and not a Vatican Council II as a continuation of Tradition.

“All the doctrinal decisions of the church are binding on a Catholic, including the Second Vatican Council and all its texts,” Cardinal Koch said when asked if the SSPX would be expected to accept all the teachings of Vatican II. “The ‘Nostra Aetate’ declaration of the Second Vatican Council is a clear decree and is important for every Catholic,” he added.

The Cardinal does not mention Ad Gentes 7 which indicates that Jews need to convert for salvation.Neither does he mention Nostra Aetate 4 which says the Church is the new people of God. Catholics are the Chosen People of God now. Even Hans Kung missed this point.

Nostra Aetate does not state that Jews do not need to convert or the Jews are saved in general in their religions, or that Judaism is the ordinary means of salavtion or that we know cases in the present times of Jews saved. Yet this is all irrelevant and SSPX will be expected to follow the liberal interpretation with no supportive texts from the Council including Nostra Aetate.This is the problem with Kung, at the end of his career he has no supportive texts from Vatican Council II for his theory on other religions and ecumenism. All these years he could fake it and bluff everyone who assumed that invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire were exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney. If the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 assumed that the baptism of desire was an exception, then they made a mistake.It would be a mistake of the Magisterium. But the Letter mentions the dogma and the text of the dogma does not many exceptions.So the Letter supported Fr.Feeney and not Fr. Hans Kung on doctrine.The Letter and the dogma was saying all Jews in Boston and the rest of the world need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.

Cardinal Koch said on May 16 according CNS 'The church’s theological reflection on its Jewish roots, as well as on the relationship between God’s covenant with the Jewish people and the new covenant instituted by Christ have been developed further and authoritatively by Blessed John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI, he said.In other words Jesus has made a New Covenant but Jews can be saved in general in their religion with the old covenant. He is saying that a defined dogma has 'developed'.He is also including the name of Pope John Paul II who gave us Dominus Iesus. Dominus Iesus 20 says Jesus died for all and for all to receive this salvation they need to enter the Church.

The cardinal said, “The Catholic Church neither conducts nor supports any specific institutional mission work directed toward the Jews,” but that does not exclude Christians bearing witness to their faith “in an unassuming and humble manner.” Even though Jesus said 'Go out and preach the Good News.. those who do not believe will be condemned', the Vatican Council for Christian policy is  that the SSPX cannot go out and preach the Good News in public.-Lionel Andrades


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Catholics must accept Vatican II, including on Judaism, cardinal says
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1202023.htm

1 comment:

George Brenner said...

Let us not forget that as a people even though Pilate himself said that Jesus was a just man that it was the Jews that cried "Let His blood be upon our Children" so yes it is probably only in God's good time that the Jews as a nation will accept Jesus as the son of God as they should have 2000 years ago. Nevertheless, we MUST pray and help Jews individually to convert to the one true Catholic Faith outside which there is no salvation. There are not two paths to Salvation.
We have yet to learn the lesson of the protection that we are guaranteed by the Holy Spirit on matters of faith and morals. All it ever takes is for one or both sides to force the issue of the heresy or schism in question and the Holy Ghost WILL safeguard the proper and perfect outcome. This is why Father Feeney was excommunicated for only disobedience. In hindsight it would have been a spiritual blessing had Father gone to Rome. This may have prevented the crisis of faith we have been in for the last half century.


24And Pilate seeing that he prevailed nothing, but that rather a tumult was made; taking water washed his hands before the people, saying: I am innocent of the blood of this just man; look you to it. 25 And the whole people answering, said: His blood be upon us and our children. 26 Then he released to them Barabbas, and having scourged Jesus, delivered him unto them to be crucified.