Griff L.Ruby who writes for a blog Daily Catholic.org (1) with a liberal bias has been informed that we do not know any case of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire.Initially he agreed that this was true. This is common knowledge. Yet he continues with his bias and now he is listed as a good source by Wikipedia to criticise the Dimond Brothers on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Wikipedia states 'the Latin phrase extra Ecclesiam nulla salus means: "outside the church there is no salvation"The most recent Catholic Catechism interpreted this to mean that "all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body." '
Wikipedia interpets this line as if to suggest that all salvation comes from Christ and so all non Catholics do not have to enter the Church. Wikipedia says ‘The Roman Catholic Church also teaches that the doctrine does not mean that everyone who is not visibly within the Church is necessarily damned’ (Wikipedia, Extra Ecclesiam nulla Salus ).
Why? How does it mean this?
Since, for Wikipedia, those who through no fault of their own can be saved (LG 16) and of course these cases are explicit and known to us and so they are an explicit exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
This is supposed to be the Roman Catholic teaching according to Wikipedia and Griff Ruby.-Lionel Andrades
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http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/08Jul/jul7str.htm
PETER AND MICHAEL DIMOND THINK THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS EXPLICIT SO THEY ACCUSE CATHOLICS OF BEING IN HERESY
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/peter-and-michael-dimond-think-baptism.html#links
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Lionel, Could you please address the so-called "saints without water baptism" like the 40th martyr of Sebaste or the Emperor Valentinian. To my way of thinking, if Christ said that Baptism by water is necessary to gain Heaven, and the Holy Church says, infallibly, that so and so is in Heaven, then it follows that so and so was Baptized with water.
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To my way of thinking, if Christ said that Baptism by water is necessary to gain Heaven, and the Holy Church says, infallibly, that so and so is in Heaven, then it follows that so and so was Baptized with water.
Lionel
I agree with you that if someone is in Heaven it is with the baptism of water.
If someone is saved with implicit desire it does not exclude the baptism of water.
However since we are dealing with possibilities, in rare cases, definitely not the ordinary means of salvation, I do not argue with someone who says God can save a person even without the Sacraments (CCC 1257),God being God.
In reality we proclaim that every one needs the baptism of water for salvation and there are no known exceptions. I cannot meet anyone who will be saved without the baptism of water.
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