CARDINAL MULLER SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II AND LUMEN GENTIUM CANNOT BE NEGOTIATED – BUT DOES NOT MENTION WHICH INTERPRETATION OF LG 16, LG 8 IS FALSE

According to a CNS/EWTN News report:

Rome, Italy, Jul 24, 2012 / 04:00 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Although the new head of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is optimistic about reconciliation with the Society of St. Pius X, he says that the teachings of the Church – including the dogmatic content of the Second Vatican Council – will never be up for re-negotiation.

“The purpose of dialogue is to overcome difficulties in the interpretation of the Second Vatican Council,” Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Muller told CNA July 20, “but we cannot negotiate on revealed faith, that is impossible. An Ecumenical Council, according to the Catholic faith, is always the supreme teaching authority of the Church.”

“The assertion that the authentic teachings of Vatican II formally contradict the tradition of the Church is false,” Archbishop Muller stated.

He added, however, that between various texts of the council there are “gradations” of teaching authority. By way of an example, Archbishop Muller drew a comparison between the council’s document on social communications, “Inter Mirifica,” which carries “less weight” than “dogmatic declarations” like the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium.”

“Whatever is dogmatic can never be negotiated,” he said, while still expressing hope that the members of the Society of Pius X “can overcome their difficulties, their ideological restrictions so that we can work together to proclaim Christ as the Light of the World.”

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/homepage/inquiries-and-interviews/detail/articolo/lefebvriani-lefebvrians-lefebvrianos-17010/ 

In  the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) communique July 19,2012 it is said that they reaffirm that outside the Church there is no salvation and no possibility of salvation. This is a traditional interpretation of Lumen Gentium 14 and it is not contradicted by LG 16 or LG 8 since we do not know any one saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience or elements of sanctification.

The Society of St.Pius X doctrinal position on Vatican Council II is also supported by Ad Gentes 7: all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.The Vatican position on Lumen Gentium is controversial.

Archbishop Augustine Di Noia in an interview with the National Catholic Register’s Edward Pentin has said Vatican Council II mentions those who can be saved with grace indicating that there were defacto, known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The question was on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Di Noia was denying the dogma and also Vatican Council II (AG 7 and LG 14). We do not know anyone saved with elements of sanctification (LG 8). So LG 8 does not contradict the SSPX position as expressed in the communique this month.

The Vatican Cardinals see Lumen Gentium as referring to known cases being saved who are explicit exceptions to the dogma. This is irrational and not part of the deposit of Faith.

So when Cardinal Muller says that the SSPX has to accept Lumen Gentium, which interpretation does he expect the irrational one or the SSPX interpretation in the communique.

The SSPX has affirmed Vatican Council II in the communique, in accord with tradition. Vatican Council II says all need to enter the Church with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (AG 7) and this includes Jews.This is the teaching of the Catholic Church before and after Vatican Council II and the SSPX affirms it.-Lionel Andrades

THE SOCIETY OF ST.PIUS X HAS ACCEPTED VATICAN COUNCIL II IN ACCORD WITH TRADITION AND HAS REJECTED THE LIBERAL VERSION
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/the-society-of-stpius-x-has-accepted.html


THE SSPX COMMUNIQUE SHOULD MAKE US REVIEW HOW WE TEACH THE CATECHISM
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/the-sspx-communique-should-make-us.html#links

ARCHBISHOP OF BOSTON DOES NOT CONTRADICT SSPX COMMUNIQUE: SAME DOCTRINAL POSITION AS FR.LEONARD FEENEY ON WHOM THEY PLACED SANCTIONS

If Cardinal Sean O’Malley responds to the two questions awaiting his answer, he too could hold the same position as the SSPX.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/archbishop-of-boston-does-not.html


That an error was made in the Fr.Leonard Feeney case it was known for a long time: Even the SSPX communique supports the priest from Boston
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/that-error-was-made-in-frleonard-feeney.html


SSPX, ECCLESIA DEI ASK THE PAULIST FATHERS AND THE CHURCH OF SANTA SUSSANA ROME TO AFFIRM VATICAN COUNCIL II WITH CITATIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/sspx-ecclesia-dei-ask-paulist-fathers.html


SSPX LINKS VATICAN COUNCIL II AND MAGISTERIUM TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/sspx-links-vatican-council-ii-and.html


SSPX COMMUNIQUE IMPORTANT FOR THE ARCHDIOCESE OF BOSTON AND THE FR.LEONARD FEENEY CASE
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/sspx-communique-important-for.html


‘…nor possibility to find the means leading to salvation’ is the all important line in the SSPX communiqué
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/nor-possibility-to-find-means-leading.html