EENS FORUM ASSUMES THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS AN EXCEPTION TO THE INFALLIBLE DOGMA ON SALVATION

On a pro-Fr.Leonard Feeney Catholic forum there are posts under the heading Can there be exceptions to Dogma?

Can there be exceptions to Catholic dogmatic teachings of the Church?

What say you? And if you say there cannot be any exceptions, then are you a Baptism of Desire or Baptism of Blood believer? If so, then how do you square that baptism of desire/baptism of blood belief with your claim that there are no exceptions whatsoever to Catholic dogma?

Just so you know,.. Catholic dogma teaches that "only through the sacrament of baptism does one enter the Church" and "there is no salvation outside the Church"

The sacrament of baptism is not "Baptism of Desire", but instead is only "WATER BAPTISM", so therefore the dogmatic statement is saying "Only through WATER baptism does one enter the Church"

So of you are a baptism of desire/baptism of blood believer, then aren't you claiming that there can be exceptions to that infallible statement?

Here it assumed that the baptism of desire is known to us in the present time and so is an exception to the infallible teaching on outside the church there is no salvation.

How can the baptism of desire be an exception when we do not know of a single case ?

Then there is a response:

No, there can be no exceptions and that is why I don't believe in baptism of desire or baptism of blood.

She does not believe in the baptism of desire and baptism of blood since she assumes that these cases are explicit to us, they are known in the present times (2012) and they can be seen and repeated just as the baptism of water.

A third view is posted.It says:

Those who believe in baptism of desire are saying that they 'do' know of another means besides water Baptism that can assure salvation even though the Church doen't know of this means.

On the contrary those who believe in implicit desire are saying that they do not know of any explicit-implicit  case in the present times who can be saved with the baptism of desire /implicit desire. However in faith, in principle they accept this possibility and it would be known only to God. So the baptism of desire does not contradict the literal interpretation of the dogma by Fr.Leonard Feeney.The possibility is a reality only for God. The possibility is not a reality for us.So it is not an exception to the dogma. This was the error Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Jesuits at Boston.-Lionel Andrades

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