Monday, December 31, 2012

If I spoke to an SSPX priest in Rome

Cardinal Christoph Schonborn says the Council is in accord with Tradition. At the same time he says there is a development of doctrine in Vatican Council II.

There as been no development of doctrine in Vatican Council II , on the subject of other religions, ecumenism and religious liberty.

I am sure if I spoke to an SSPX priest in Rome he would be critical of Cardinal Christoph Schonborn's statement on the 'development of doctrine' in Vatican Council II.

He would agree that we do not know anyone in the present times saved in invincible ignorance , a good conscience, seeds of the word, imperfect communion with the church etc.So there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.There is nothing written in Vatican Council II which changes the Catholic Church's teachings on other religions.So there cannot be a development of doctrine on the subject of other religions.

The Council does not state that other religions are valid paths to salvation.

Since it is possible for a non Catholic to be saved, it does not mean there is such a case in 2012 or during the last 100 years.Vatican Council II does not make this claim, otherwise it would be contradicting Ad Gentes 7 which states all need' faith and baptism' for salvation.It would also be contradicting Nostra Aetate 4 which states Catholics are 'the new people of God'; the Chosen People.

Nostra Aetate does not say that Jews and Muslims are saved in general in their religions, or that they do not have to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.

So Cardinal Schonborn cannot cite text in Vatican Council II which could suggest there has been 'a development of doctrine' on other religions and ecumenism.

If Ad Gentes 7 is in agreement with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors then the Council is saying all non Catholics need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.This would mean non Catholics have a moral obligation to give up other religious beliefs and practices and then enter the Church with faith and baptism (AG 7).

This would mean that they are defacto legally free in a secular state with a secular Constitution to follow other religions (Dignitatis Humanae) but are morally obliged by the truth, to give up their religions which are false paths to salvation (AG 7,LG 14 etc).

Dignitatis Humane endorses the religious liberty of a Catholic to practise his religion freely and without coercion in a state with a secular Constitution.He also has the right to affirm it.Proclaining the one true faith is not coercion. It is a human right.

So there as been no development of doctrine in Vatican Council II , on the subject of other religions, ecumenism and religious liberty.

The bottom line is that there is no known salvation outside the church mentioned in Vatican Council II. There is no implicit salvation which is explicitly visible to us. So the ecclesiology of Vatican Council II is still traditional.-Lionel Andrades

SSPX NEVER BROUGHT SCHONBORN'S ERROR TO THE ATTENTION OF CDF PREFECTS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/sspx-never-brought-schonborns-error-to.html#links
 
THERE IS NO DOCTRINAL DEVELOPMENT IN VATICAN COUNCIL II AS CARDINAL CHRISTOPH SCHONBURG ALLEGES : SINCE THE COUNCIL DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE TRADITIONAL TEACHING ON OTHER RELIGIONS

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