Friday, January 4, 2013

SSPX PRIEST IN ROME SAYS IMPLICIT SALVATION IS NOT VISIBLE TO US.WE DO NOT KNOW ANY CASE OF A PERSON SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE

Implicit salvation is not visible to us.We do not know any case of a person saved with the baptism of desire. We do not personally know anyone saved in invincible ignorance.So there are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This was said yesterday evening by a young priest of the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX).I briefly spoke with him at the SSPX chapel  St.Catherine of Siena, Via Urbano, near the Cavour Metro Station in Rome.
dsc02555


 
It was clear for him that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance were not exceptions to the dogma on salvation.Since we do not know these cases they are always implicit and never explicit for us.


All who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church he mentioned. Of course we do not personally know these cases so this is not a contradiction of the dogma on exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.All need to enter as through a door( Ad Gentes 7)


The priest who was to offer Mass at the chapel  mentioned that there could be a catechumen who explicitly asks for the baptism of water but could not receive it before death,and who could be be saved. Again these cases are known only to God, so they do not contradict the dogmatic teaching that all need faith and baptism for salvation.All need to convert into the Catholic Church.(Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441 etc)


It means Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance etc) is not an exception to Ad Gentes 7 which says all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation. There are no known exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II, to Ad Gentes 7 and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The Council does not contradict the traditional teaching on other religions and ecumenism.


All implicit salvation mentioned in Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Vatican Council II does not state that implicit salvation is explicit or an exception to the dogma.There are no explicit- implicit salvation cases mentioned in Vatican Council II.


Since there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma on salvation there are no known exceptions to Fr.Leonard Feeney.The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are irrelevant to Fr. Leonard Feeney's literal interpretation of the dogma on salvation.-Lionel Andrades

Photo from the SSPX website .This is not the priest with whom I spoke to but I am sure he and the other priests in Albano, Italy would agree that implicit desire is not explicit for us and is known only to God.

No comments: