Tuesday, January 22, 2013

The traditionalists at the St.Benedict Centers,USA could come to the assistance of the SSPX

At the centre of the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) rejecting Vatican Council II is the controversy over Fr.Leonard Feeney.

The SSPX and the St.Benedict Centers clashed because both assumed that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance were explicit ,visible and known to us in the present times in specific cases.So the SSPX accepted the baptism of desire etc as an exception to the dogma while the St.Benedict Center, did not consider it an exception.In this sense they rejected it.They rejected defacto, known baptism of desire but accepted it in principle, they even provided a definition of it.


The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary at the St.Benedict Centers are also traditionalists like the SSPX.


They reject the parts of Vatican Council II which they believe clash with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. However in general, in principle they say that they accept Vatican Council II.They choose to leave the controversial parts as un-addressed.


But if there are no known exceptions to the dogma, since the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance etc are just hypotehtical for us,then the Council does not clash with extra ecclesiam nulla salus.There would be nothing in Vatican Council II which contradicts the SSPX and the St.Benedict Center traditional  position on other religions and ecumenism.


So the Prior of the St.Benedict Center,Richmond,N.H for example, would not be able to cite any text in Vatican Council II which would contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus as interpreted by Fr.Leonard Feeney.


If one of the St.Benedict Centers issues a statement saying that Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus, it could be an insight for all Catholics, especially the SSPX.-Lionel Andrades

http://catholicforum.forumotion.com/t1008-traditionalists-at-the-stbenedict-centers-usa-could-come-to-the-aid-of-the-sspx#8676

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Lionel, Please supply the definition which the St. Benedict Center uses. Thank you.

Catholic Mission said...

Regarding baptism of desire:

No Pope, Council, or theologian says that baptism of desire is a sacrament.

Likewise no Pope, Council, or theologian says that baptism of desire incorporates one into the Catholic Church.

Question: Without contradicting the thrice defined Dogma, “No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church”, and the infallible teaching of the Council of Trent, how can one define the expression baptism of desire?

Answer: The following definition of baptism of desire can be made which will be totally consistent with the infallible teaching of the Council of Trent and with the thrice defined dogma of “No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church”. This definition of baptism of desire goes as follows:

In its proper meaning, this consists of an act of perfect contrition or perfect love [that is Charity, which necessarily implies that one has the True Faith], and the simultaneous desire for baptism. It does not imprint an indelible character on the soul and the obligation to receive Baptism by water remains. (From page 126 of The Catholic Concise Encyclopedia , by Robert Broderick, M.A., copyright 1957, Imprimatur by Francis Cardinal Spellman, Archbishop of New York, August 31, 1956) - Desire, Justification, and Salvation at the Council of Trent, by Br. David Mary, M.I.C.M., Tert. May 02nd, 2005

Catholic Mission said...

FR.LEONARD FEENEY'S COMMUNITIES HAVE PROVIDED A DEFINITION OF THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE SO IN PRINCIPLE THEY ACCEPT A BAPTISM OF DESIRE

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/11/frleonard-feeneys-communities-have.html#links

Anonymous said...

Thank you.