Vatican Council II taught that one must be Catholic in order to be saved- Jehanne, Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus Forum

The Second Vatican Council, exercising its highest level of authority, in its foundational document Lumen Gentium, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, declared:

This Sacred Council accepts with great devotion this venerable faith of our ancestors regarding this vital fellowship with our brethren who are in heavenly glory or who having died are still being purified; and it proposes again the decrees of the Second Council of Nicea, the Council of Florence and the Council of Trent... (Lumen Gentium, 51)

Of course, the Council of Florence declared/decreed:

No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church. (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)

Now, by the Law of Non-contradiction ("a proposition cannot be affirmed and denied at the same time"), Vatican II taught that "Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ" (Lumen Gentium, 15) and the group of "Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church" (Lumen Gentium, 16) must both end their lives within "the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church".

Stating that "can an implicit desire produce its effect" (1949 Holy Office letter) simply leaves the judgment of an individual's soul to where that judgment belongs, to the One and Triune God alone.

Lumen Gentium also referenced the Holy Office letter, which stated:

We are bound by divine and Catholic faith to believe all those things which are contained in the word of God, whether it be Scripture or Tradition, and are proposed by the Church to be believed as divinely revealed, not only through solemn judgment but also through the ordinary and universal teaching office (, n. 1792).

Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.

However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it...

Which "infallible statement"? Of course, there is only one which uses the phrase "no salvation outside the 'Catholic' Church" and that one comes from the Council of Florence, and per Vatican I:

Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council, Session 3, Chapter 4, #14, ex cathedra: "Hence, too, that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by Holy Mother Church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding."

Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council, Session 3, Canon 4, ex cathedra: "If anyone says that it is possible that at some time, given the advancement of knowledge, a sense may be assigned to the dogmas propounded by the church which is different from that which the church has understood and understands: let him be anathema."

...the meaning given at Vatican II must be absolutely identical to what the Fathers at the Council of Florence understood their infallible definition to be and that same meaning (presumably) is what the 1949 Holy Office Letter is teaching us; that is, someone could be an "implicit member" of the Catholic Church, and by that very fact, be saved. However, the Holy Office letter attaches some stringent conditions to that membership:

1) "a person is involved in invincible ignorance" AND

2) "a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God..." AND

3) "that the desire by which one is related to the Church be animated by perfect charity" AND

4) "unless a person has supernatural faith" AND

5) "are related to the Mystical Body of the Redeemer by a certain unconscious yearning and desire."

HOWEVER, "they cannot be sure of their salvation," for how could someone ever know that which "they do not know" was "through no fault of their own"??? And, so, how could we, as traditional Catholics, "Feeneyites," etc., ever be harming someone by telling them "that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff"? Besides, if implicit faith and/or desire did not exist, at least potentially, then we, as Catholics, would be in the position where we could make judgments about the interior state of other person's soul, and of course, only the Triune God can do that! However, just because something is possible does not mean that it is probable.

… the Second Vatican Council reaffirmed the teaching of the Council of Florence which declared that "No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church."

from the Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus  Forum. Vatican II taught that one must be Catholic in order to be saved

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