FISH EATERS CATHOLIC TRADITIONALIST FORUM ASSUMES THERE IS A VISIBLE BAPTISM OF DESIRE

There is a Catholic traditionalist forum Fish eaters which accepts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as including the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance. For them there is visible baptism of desire ! The baptism of desire is physically visible and so it is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, defined three times.This is the irrationality of the Archbishop of Boston, Cardinal Richard Cushing. It is also heresy. It is implying that the dogma as it was known historically by the Church Councils, popes and saints has visible exceptions i.e non Cathoics who are going to be saved in the present times and who do not have to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.

Fish eaters like other traditionalist forums also implies that the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, a magisterial document for them, taught an irrationality and heresy.The Administrators of Fish eaters state that the priest from Boston, Fr.Leonard Feeney was corrected by the Letter of the Holy Office which said that the baptism of desire was an exception(!?) to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

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Historicially in the Catholic Church, being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire was accepted,from even the time of the Church Fathers.They are possibilities only known to God, and these cases are not visible to us. So they are irrelevant to the thrice defined dogma. Since they are invisible they cannot be exceptions to every one needing to enter the Catholic Church with 'faith and baptism' (AG 7) for salvation.

The Letter of the Holy Office no where states that being saved with implcit desire or in invincible ignorance is visible for us and neither does it state that these cases are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Fish eaters implies all this. It assumes all this wrongly.

There is no Magisterial document which claims  that these cases are physically visible to us or that they are exceptions to the dogma -Lionel Andrades

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