So many reports on the Internet assume that the baptism of desire is visible to us and so is an exception to Fr.Leonard Feeney - 2

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How much I wish and pray that, relinquishing their error concerning baptism of desire and blood, they might embrace the whole of the Catholic Faith. Their error caricatures the Catholic Faith and gives easy weapons to the enemies of dogma!

The Three Errors of the Feeneyites. SSPX

http://www.sspx.org/miscellaneous/feeneyism/three_errors_of_feeneyites.htm

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Valid doctrinal development involves the gradual growth in understanding of a core, unchanging truth. At the heart of extra ecclesiam nulla salus is the fundamental dogma that the Church is absolutely necessary for salvation. Through Christ's body, God's grace is channeled into the world. In the words of Lumen Gentium, the Church is the "universal sacrament of salvation." All salvation comes through Christ's Church; apart from that grace, there is no hope for eternal life. This point has been understood in different ways throughout the history of Christianity, and yet the doctrine has remained intact. Those who claim the Church has changed its stand on extra ecclesiam fail to recognize this core truth in the midst of its various interpretations. In doing so, they ignore the development that occurs in the doctrinal life of the historic Church.

   Rev. Peter Stravinskas "Can Outsiders Be Insiders?" Envoy (Sept/Oct, 1998)

 http://catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0155.html

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In the course of the Council the “subsistit in” took the place of the previous “est”.[7] It contains in nuce the whole ecumenical problem. The “est” claimed that the church of Christ Jesus “is” the Catholic Church. This strict identification of the church of Christ Jesus with the Catholic Church had been represented most recently in the encyclicals Mystici corporis (1943) and Humani generis (1950). But even according to Mystici corporis there are people who, although they have not yet been baptised, are subsumed under the Catholic Church because that is their express desire (DS 3921). Therefore Pius XII had condemned an exclusive interpretation of the axiom “Extra ecclesiam nulla salus” already in 1949.

PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR PROMOTING CHRISTIAN UNITY
CONFERENCE ON THE 40th ANNIVERSARY OF THE PROMULGATION
OF THE CONCILIAR DECREE "UNITATIS REDINTEGRATIO"
(Rocca di Papa, MONDO MIGLIORE, 11,12 and 13 November 2004)
INTERVENTION BY CARD. WALTER KASPER,
PRESIDENT OF THE PONTIFICAL COUNCIL
FOR PROMOTING CHRISTIAN UNITY
Rocca di Papa (Mondo Migliore)
Thursday, 11 November 2004

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Fr Neuhaus says (after glowing praise of the book)

I differ with Philip Lawler on a number of points in his telling of the story. For instance, his treatment of the 1940s conflict between Father Leonard Feeney and Cardinal Cushing is, I think, too uncritical of Father Feeney. Feeney was out of line in the way he pressed the claim that only Catholics can be saved.

http://againstallheresies.blogspot.it/2008/03/most-hated-man-in-american-catholicism.html


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So again, one sees this same horrific methodology being pushed by those who deny BOB and BOD. Catholic theology is all of a piece. You cannot validly go throwing this or that portion out as "fallible" (and therefore wrong and to be ignored). That is invariably the fast lane to heresy. And that is precisely what the denial of BOB and/or BOD must always depend upon. For there is much to Catholic theology that teaches BOB and BOD, much in the way of "exceptions" to the extraordinary claims of the Treatise, of which I have only addressed a few so far. In further installments in September I will continue to address further such what-about "exceptions."

Griff L. Ruby

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Catholics-955/2008/8/Feeneyism-Angelqueen.htm

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This teaching, “There is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church” does not mean your are going to Hell if you are not Catholic. It means basically that salvation is possible only through Jesus and His One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church; even if:

a person is not a member of a Catholic Church,

a person lived before the time of Christ,

a person never heard of Jesus, etc.

a person was never baptised

http://theblackcordelias.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church/

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I call to mind also the situation of the late Fr. Leonard Feeney, SJ, and his “wildcat group” the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. They took a black and white position on the Church’s true teaching that “outside the Church there is no salvation”. This got them in hot water with the Holy See. Eventually an understanding was hammered out. The so-called “Feeneyites” were able to be in union with the Church but without having to abjure their position about extra Ecclesiam nulla salus.

-Fr.John Zuhlsdorf, What Does the Prayer Really Say ?

http://brotherandre.stblogs.com/2009/05/29/father-z-on-the-%E2%80%98feeneyites%E2%80%99/

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The Feeneyite heresy is easy to fall into for Catholics distressed by modernist priests, nuns, and lay ministers preaching an ecumenism that seems to make all religions equal.

It is important to see the precise mind of the Church on the question. Pope Pius IX addresses the matter in his Letter on Indifferentism (August 10, 1863):

"The Catholic dogma that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church is well-known. Those who obstinately and knowingly reject the authority and definitions of the Church, and persist willfully in remaining separated from the unity of the Church and from the Bishop of Rome, successor of St. Peter to whom the charge of the vineyard was committed by Christ, those cannot be saved. [But he goes on to say] We know that those who are invincibly ignorant of our holy religion, and who are prepared to obey God. earnestly observing the natural moral law engraven in the hearts of all men by God, can be saved by living an honest and just life with the help of divine light and grace. For God, who clearly discerns the minds and souls, thoughts an habits of all men, will not, in his goodness and mercy, permit anyone to be punished eternally who is not guilty of voluntary sin."
From thearchives - Published from 1982-96, Fidelity magazine was the predecessor of Culture Wars.

http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWars/Archives/Fidelity_archives/SSPX4.htm

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 A number of years ago a priest, Fr Leonard Feeney, citing the doctrine “outside the Church there is no salvation”, denied the possibility of Baptism by blood and maintained that all who died without baptism are lost, even those Saints and other catechumens who were martyred. The Church rejected his opinion in 1949, pointing out that since the beginning, and drawing on Sacred Scripture, those who died without baptism but with the desire for baptism were baptized by desire and those put to death for the faith were baptized by blood. The Church does indeed believe that outside the Church there is no salvation (cf Vatican II document Lumen Gentium, § 13) but this teaching is not contradicted by Baptism of desire or of blood and must be understood in terms of how the Church sees herself as being founded by Christ as the Sacrament of Salvation in the world, and that God, in his mercy, desires that all people should be saved. It must also be understood that in Catholic teaching those who are not baptized and not members of the Church are not necessarily lost or excluded from heaven: if they do not know or believe in Christ or his teaching through no fault of their own, but live good lives according to their understanding, God in his mercy will not exclude them.

The Fraternity of St Genesius 2007
http://www.stgenesius.com/baptismofblood.html

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Heresy 3 ... "Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member."


Catholic correction 1 > This rejects the Catholic Salvation Dogma listed on Sections 1 of this site.
Catholic correction 2 > This rejects the Catholic Dogma on Water Baptism listed on Section 7.2 of this site.
Catholic correction 3 > This rejects the Sources of Dogma which specifically condemn "baptism of desire" and other baptism heresies.

Heresy 4 ... "When a person is involved in invincible ignorance, God accepts also an implicit desire." (To be in the Catholic Church)

Catholic correction 1 > This rejects the Catholic Dogma that ignorance of the Catholic Faith (the Dogma) sends you into Hell, listed on Section 5.1 of this site.
Catholic correction 2 > This rejects the Sources of Dogma which specifically condemn "baptism of desire" and other baptism heresies. 
http://immaculata-one.com/section_17.3.html

-Lionel Andrades