No priest or supporter of the SSPX has...

 Until today no priest or supporter of the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) here, can point out to me any ambiguity in Vatican Council II with respect to other religions and ecumenism, unless he is using the Richard Cushing Error.(1)

 

I have  spoken with them on this issue (can we see the dead who could be exceptions to Tradition)  and asked them where is the confusion in Vatican Council II with respect to other religions and Christian communities.

They say that we cannot see the dead and there are no known exceptions to the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is commonsense.

 

However they do not respond when I ask if there are any exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

 

If they did assume there were exceptions of course they would be making the Richard Cushing Error  They would be assuming there is ambiguity in Vatican Council II (Richard Cushing Confusion) and that  LG 16 ,LG 14,AG 7,LG 8 etc have dual statements. The Council is full of confusion, the Richard  Cushing Confusion(2).The Deadwood Statements (3) can be read clearly in Ad Gentes and Lumen Gentium.

 

I usually begin our conversation by asking them my Two Questions.

 

1.Do we personally know the dead saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience (LG 16)? ( i.e can we personally know them, physically see them)

 

2.Since we do not know any of these cases there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ? (the dogma says all need to convert into the Church, all need to be visible members of the Church for salvation).

-Lionel Andrades

(1)

 Richard Cushing Error is assuming that we can physically see the dead now saved in Heaven and then further assuming that these cases visible to us and known personally to us, are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or Ad Gentes 7 (all need faith and baptism for salvation).
(2)
Richard Cushing Confusion is the general  interpretation of Vatican Council II with the Richard Cushing Error.It is the use of an irrelevant statement, to the main text or passage in a Council text,which causes ambiguity. It is mixing up a possibility with a known reality.This leads to confusion in Council texts with dual statements.
(3)
Deadwood Statements are used in Vatican Council II to cause the Richard Cushing Confusion. They mix up what is implicit, dejure and theoretical. with a statement referring to something, which is explicit, de facto and practical.Usually hypotehetical statements  are assumed to be known cases in the present times.

Richard Cushing Confusion is all over Vatican Council II : when identified the Council is as traditional as the SSPX
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/richard-cushing-confusion-is-all-over.html#links

FOR THE SSPX PRIESTS IN ITALY THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS TO 'THE ORDINARY MEANS OF SALVATION' AND 'FAITH AND BAPTISM' FOR ALL 

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/search?q=SSPX+priests

 ARCHBISHOP MARCEL LEFEBVRE CALLED "TO PREACH" THE RIGORIST INTERPRETATION OF "EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS"
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/archbishop-marcel-lefebvre-called-to.html#links

 

Photo from the SSPX, Italy website.