The SSPX priests in Rome with whom I have spoken to admit they cannot meet anyone personally, who now also is in Heaven.
Like the normal, average person they cannot physically see the dead- including those persons declared saints.If I met Bishop Bernard Fellay and asked him if he could see the dead saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire I assume he would say "no".
This was the important point that the SSPX left out in their report on ecumenism. We cannot see the dead.
When responding to the Joint Document by Catholics and Lutherans issued last month, they simply had to say that we humans cannot see the dead in Heaven. If we cannot see the dead-saved in imperfect communion with the church (UR 3), seeds of the Word (AG 11) or elements of sanctification (LG 8), there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
'Zero cases of something are not exeptions', says the American apologist John Martigioni. There are no known exceptions he says in 2013 to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
This is not theology. It is a simple human observation.Though it can influence theology. It can create a factually incorrect theology as that of the liberals in the Vatican.
Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson also has written that we do not know cases in the present times saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, a good conscience, seeds of the Word and imperfect communion with the Church. The Nuncio to Ukraine had answered two questions on his blog Deo Volente Ex Anima .
Archbishop Gullickson and John Martigioni are not making the error of the Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Richard Cushing.
Cardinal Cushing assumed that visible to us baptism of desire was a known exception to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.
Similarly the SSPX must not consider being saved in invincible ignorance, seeds of the Word etc as being visible to us. So this is not an issue which needs to be discussed theologically.
If these cases do exist in real life in 2013, they are not visible to us .So why discuss them? If we can accept these cases in principle, in faith only ,since they are only known to God, why mention it in theology with reference to ecumenism and other religions?
Cardinal Kurt Koch mentions it since he is using the Richard Cushing Error.Why should the SSPX respond theologically ? He cannot name any such exception He does not know if there were five or seven persons saved in 2012 with 'seeds of the Word'.
The SSPX simply has to say that we do not know anyone (Lutherans etc) in 2013 saved in imperefect communion with the Church etc for these cases to be considered exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus, to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II , the Syllabus of Errors (other religions and Christian communities) and Tradition in general.-
Lionel Andrades
Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/ 11/ archbishop-thomas-egullickson-says.html
ARCHBISHOP,CATHOLIC PRIESTS AND LAY APOLOGIST SAY VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS : "We don't know any case of the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance.Only Jesus can judge"
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