Saturday, September 21, 2013

Traditionalists have to be specific and first make the correction.

 It needs to be said that Lumen Gentium 14 and Ad Gentes 7 affirms the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. And, most important, that there are no known exceptions mentioned in Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14.When the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, SSPX,MHFM,CMRI and others say this clearly in public then we can expect the change to take place.
       George Brenner :

Vatican Council II does not contradict or change the literal interpretation of Father Feeney on No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church but Michael Voris, SSPX, MHFM, others and you and I are not the Pope. The crisis of faith will not end until the Pope clarifies this and a host of other issues on the dilution in the practice and reverence of our Catholic Faith.

BloggerLionel:

Just as you are now saying that there are no exceptions mentioned in the text of Vatican Council II to the literal interpertation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Fr.Leonard Feeney I have been saying the same thing for a long time. When the SSPX, Michael Voris, MHFM and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary say the same thing may be then the pope will understand and respond.

George:
I have asked and prayed for years that the rampant dilution of our faith will not be corrected until the Pope clarifies No Salvation outside the Catholic Church, Baptism of Blood, Baptism of Desire and invincible ignorance with truth, clarity and simplicity for all to hear, understand and most importantly obey.

Lionel:
The traditionalists have to be specific and first make the correction. Then we can expect the pope to take notice or correct himself.It needs to be said that Lumen Gentium 14 and Ad Gentes 7 affirms the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. And, most important, that there are no known exceptions mentioned in Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14.

When the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, SSPX,MHFM,CMRI and others say this clearly in public then we can expect the change to take place.

In Michael Voris' discussion with Louie Verrecchio and Patrick Archbald this fact is not mentioned.

The USCCB also considers invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire as exceptions to all needing to enter the Catholic Church for salvation. None of the American traditionalists have commented on this issue.

The USSCB is also using Cushingism in the interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 845,846,1257).

George:
 I think it is the other way around. The Pope , the vicar of Christ, the successor of St. Peter must explain and teach clearly the Catholic Faith for all to hold as true. Yes we can should and must pray for and prod him directly. If your neighbors house is on fire, you call the fire department and go directly to them to see what you can do. I will once again write the Pope.

I will once again write the Pope.

Lionel:What about Michael Voris, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, SSPX (USA), MHFM etc ?
-Lionel Andrades
 
from comments on the blogpost Vatican Council II is not ambigous on the issue of other religions and Christian communities.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/09/vatican-council-ii-is-not-ambigous-on.html#links

1 comment:

George Brenner said...

Lionel:What about Michael Voris, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, SSPX (USA), MHFM etc ?

George: yes, them too along with everyone else in the world.

JMJ,

George Brenner