Lunatics and heretics

Michael Voris refers to the lunatics and heretics. I do not know in which camp would he put the third group.

The THIRD GROUP of Catholics are those well meaning good Catholics who say they can see the dead saved in Heaven. They imply they know persons saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire who are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So they hold the literal traditional position of extra ecclesiam nulla salus which says all need to enter the Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell and ALSO say that there are explicit exceptions in the present times.

This is the position of Michael Voris and Simon Rafe at Church Militant TV. It is the position of the English traditionalist Michael Davis. His followers in the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX), the Roman Theological Forum, Rorate Caeili, Remnant etc.

This is an irrationality. It is also a lie. The Holy Spirit cannot teach error.

This group of traditionalists hold on to Tradition and reject Vatican Council II because they can see the dead.If some one in public indicated that they could see the dead, in which of the two categories would he be placed? They do not claim that this is an apparition. They also reject apparitions which the Church has still not condemned.

This group means well but  are  a problem for Catholics who say that they are traditionalists and they interpret Vatican Council II with no ambiguity and not as a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Michael Voris for example will say that all need to enter the Church but he will not deny that being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are not exceptions to the dogma. So in Vatican Council II there are exceptions to Tradition for him.

Then this group, on Religious Liberty have accepted again the view of Michael Davis. Other traditionalists disagree. They affirm Dignitatis Humanae in agreement with Tradition, on Religious Liberty.

Michael Davis was objectively wrong on Vatican Council II and other religions and Christian communities. Could he also not be wrong on Religious Liberty?

It is irrational, to claim that all need to enter the Church for salvation and then to suggest that Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition, since those saved in invincible ignorance(LG 16) etc are visible in the flesh exceptions to the dogma on salvation.-Lionel Andrades