Monday, June 29, 2015

Baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are not exceptions to the dogma as Fr.Aldo Rossi says, so we can extend this thinking to Vatican Council II

The SSPX Prior in Albano,Italy has said that we physically cannot see the dead on earth. This is something obvious. We cannot see people on earth who have been saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance.We cannot meet them or see them.

I have not met Fr.Aldo Rossi for a long time. There is no communication between them and me. 

The Superior General of the SSPX in Italy Fr.Pier Paolo Petrucci does not answer e-mails or questions and other priests and religious with the SSPX do not wish to talk about this subject.

They still continue to refer to Vatican Council II as a break with Traditiona and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). This seems their political position.

Since if baptism of desire (BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I ) are not exceptions to the dogma as Fr.Rossi says, then we can extend this thinking to Vatican Council II. There would not nothing in the Council to contradict the dogma, since we cannot see the dead saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16)etc.

The SSPX Superior would then have to admit that he made an innocent error at a talk he gave at Rimini, when he suggested that Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

There is confusion on this subject among the SSPX districts. It is confusion on doctrine. Since for the SSPX USA, BOD and I.I are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is their position in a book sold by Fr.Francois Laisney.

Fr.Laisney was not aware that the Holy Office 1949 made the same irrational mistake, they contradicted what Fr.Aldo Rossi, described as "obvious". The Letter 1949 assumes BOD and I.I refer to visible cases on earth. The dead are visible. So it is inferred that these 'deceased' are visible and known on earth to be exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma.This is the new theology. It is based on an irrationality. It is really fantasy theology.

At sometime in the future, truth and rationality must prevail and the SSPX would have to announce that Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma EENS or the Syllabus of Errors and we cannot see the dead-saved  on earth.
-Lionel Andrades

SSPX PRIOR AT ALBANO,ITALY SAYS WE DON'T KNOW ANYONE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE

 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/02/sspx-prior-at-albanoitaly-says-we-dont.html



Progressivists interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise of 'implicit desire being visible' or 'the dead are visible' and then assume that they accept Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/02/progressivists-interpret-vatican.html#links  



SSPX PRIEST CONTRADICTS REUTERS,WORLD JEWISH CONGRESS UNDERSTANDING OF VATICAN COUNCIL II AND OTHER RELIGIONS 


Another SSPX priest in Rome says implicit salvation is not visible to us and is known only to God. 



ARCHBISHOP,CATHOLIC PRIESTS AND LAY APOLOGIST SAY VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS : "We don't know any case of the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance.Only Jesus can judge"


Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martigioni

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