Thursday, July 9, 2015

Fr.Anthony Cekada has used an irrational premise ( BOD is explicit, objective in the present times ) and an irrational inference ( BOD is explicit and so an exception to EENS).

http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=28&catname=2
FIRST ASK: WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA FOR OUR BELIEF
Dear N.N.:
Thank you for your e-mail.
      Unfortunately, by going directly to a series of questions about the particular issue of baptism of desire, you pass over the key to this discussion: Ascertaining all the general criteria by which a particular issue such as this must be judged.
      My original article, “Baptism of Desire and Theological Principles,” began by setting forth the “general rules for belief” that the Church imposes upon Catholics. What kinds of teaching are we obliged to adhere to?
      Answering this question establishes the general principles, or the rules of evidence, for discussing any point of Catholic teaching. Only when all these principles are established can one then look at aparticular issue.
      Vatican I and Pius IX laid down these general principles by establishing all the following as the types of teaching that a Catholic must believe and adhere to:
1.  Solemn pronouncements of the extraordinary Magisterium.
2.     Teachings of the universal ordinary Magisterium.
3.     Teachings of the universal ordinary Magisterium held by the universal and common consent of theologians to belong to the faith.
4.  Doctrinal decisions of the Vatican congregations.
5.     Theological truths and conclusions so certain that opposition to them merits some theological censure short of “heresy.”
      Fr. Feeney’s followers (and many traditionalists) seem to have the impression that a Catholic’s obligation is pretty much limited to point 1 on the list. Your letter stops after point 2 and then asks a series of questions.
      But a Catholic has to accept all these criteria, and consequently also believe or adhere to all the teachings which fall under points 2-5.
      Otherwise, a reasonable discussion of almost any theological point among Catholics becomes entirely impossible, because some of the Church’s standards have been set aside.
      So, I ask you to reread Section I of my original article, with particular attention to the quotes from Tuas Libenter and the Syllabus of Errors, in order to verify that points 2-5 above do in fact accurately represent the obligations that Pius IX laid down.
Lionel:
None of the First Principles before 1949 stated tht BOD and BOB  were 1) explicit 2) they were explicit and so were exceptions to EENS 3) they are explicit for us in the present times.
So we do not have a First Principle before 1949 condeming Fr. Leonard Feeney. Instead they support Fr.Leonard Feeney and negate Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani and Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Jesuits in Boston.
      I think that if you carefully study the issue, you will come to understand and accept the Church’s requirements as regards points 2-5.
      Acknowledging these as first principles would go a long way towards resolving any difficulties over the specific issue of baptism of desire and baptism of blood.
Lionel:
My reading of the First Principles show Cardinals Marchetti and Cushing and now Fr.Anthonty Cekada in error. They have used an irrational premise ( BOD is explicit, objective in the present times ) and an irrational inference ( BOD is explicit and so an exception to EENS in the present times). This is not part of the Deposit of the Faith. It is something new which has come into the Church. It  is 'a development' of both BOD and EENS.
      Please take your time in replying. I’ll be away for about two weeks (seminary teaching and missions) and I won’t have access to e-mail.
Yours in Christ,
— The Rev. Anthony Cekada
 http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=28&catname=2


The Holy Office 1949 made a factual mistake. It was an objective mistake and not just a mistake in theology. It was an error of observation. In a sense it was a philosophical error
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/07/the-holy-office-1949-made-factual.html



1 comment:

George Brenner said...


FACT OR FICTION:

1000 people are gathered from the four corners of the earth, from large cities, from remote jungles, from every region and all walks of life. They are given a questionnaire of 100 questions on religion and salvation to determine their position. They are then given shirts to identify them by name of specific faith or no faith at all. They are furthered tagged as BOD/Catechumen candidates?, BOB/Martyrs that are non baptized?, unconscious possible yearning to please God person, Non Catholic with perfect Charity, atheist, agnostics,Invincibly ignorant but good chap etc and some are even asked to pick or name their own designation for their shirt so as not to offend them.
They are taken to a two week Catholic seminar on salvation with all expenses paid and translators readily available. Catholic clerics, theologians, professors and learned lay Catholics are on hand to conduct the seminar.
What would each and everyone of the 1000 people need to be told, explained and illustrated in love and charity if this were to be conducted in truth according to the will of Jesus?


Clue: Father Feeney
Even the catechumen would be given the identical catechesis right?

CONCLUSION: Any and all tags and names that the Catholic Church assigns to someone for their current non visible Catholic status in contemplation of God's possible mercies and even those not even being contemplated or imagined are completely irrelevant to teaching all that they must be Catholic, baptized with water and free from mortal sin in order to enter Heaven. If this were not true then it would follow that No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church really means that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church. Nonsense right????? but this is what most in the Church hold, teach and believe as true.

In Christ,

George Brenner