Thursday, July 16, 2015

Traditionalists need to overhaul their theology

Immagine correlataTraditionalists like the contemporary magisterium (post 1949) are in doctrinal error. Like the  Vatican Curia and the Rome Vicariate traditionalists cannot deny that we do not know any explicit exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus in 2015 . Nor does pre-1949 Church documents claim there are known exceptions.So Fr.Leonard Feeney was correct and the Holy Office was wrong. Traditionalists agree we cannot see people in Heaven, face to face  saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.Physically they are zero cases.So they cannot be considered exceptions in the present times to all needing to formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation ( to avoid Hell).Hypothetical cases, theoretical cases cannot be considered exceptions to the dogma or the Syllabus of Errors on other religions and Christians needing to convert into the Catholic Church.
Catholics in general do not know theology. So they depend on the pope or the traditionalists.The cardinals Marchetti-Cushing combine brought a new revelation, a new doctrine into the Church and they were not corrected by Pope Pius XII.
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The new reasoning was also not corrected by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Michael Treharne Davies or Dietrich Von Hildebrand.Even Pope John Paul XXIII before Vatican Council II accepted the irrationality.
No pope was willing to say in public that Jews in Boston need to convert into the Church for salvation and there were no known exceptions.So Fr.Feeney was correct.
This error was not identified by the apologists Fr.John Hardon, Fr.William Most and Mons. Joseph Clifford Fenton.Without really thinking it was wrongly accepted by archbishops and cardinals.
Immagine correlataToday the same error is accepted by Christopher  Ferrara, John Vennari, Louie Verrecchio and  John Salza.
How can the  baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance be exceptions to the traditional, centuries old interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus?
 How can Lumen Gentium 16 ( saved in invincible ignorance) be an exception to the Feeneyite version of extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?
Zero cases of something are not exceptions says John Martignoni, the apologist.
This is fundamental.It would be obvious even to a school boy or a non Christian.
Immagine correlataYet for Daphne McLeoad there were exceptions, since this was the 'magisterial' teaching.
How could the magisterium of 1949 contradict  the pre-1949 magisterium ? Yet it did and  traditionalists did not complain about the Marchetti error.
Traditionalists, and Catholics in  general can still affirm the old theology by citing Vatican Council II. They could say all non Catholics need to convert formally into the Church ( with faith and baptism) to avoid Hell and there are no exceptions (Ad Gentes 7).Most people are on the way to Hell without Catholic Faith and the baptism of water ( AG 7, LG 14, Vatican Council II). Catholics are the new people of God, the elect.(Nostra Aetate, Vatican Council II).Outside the Church there is no known salvation (AG 7).All Orthodox Christians, Protestants and Pentecostals need to enter the Church for salvation (AG 7,LG 14,CCC 1257,CCC 845).There will be a Day of Judgement and most people would be sent to Hell according to the Catholic Church ( AG 7,LG 14 etc).Sin leads to Hell. There are good angels and bad angels.The Bible tells us that the bad angels are in Hell.Dives who called upon Abraham and Lazarus is also in Hell. Judas is in Hell according to the Bible.Many Catholics are on the way to Hell since they are living in public sin.
We can proclaim all this by citing Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.-Lionel Andrades

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Michael Davis, Dietrich Von Hildebrand and other traditionalists allowed the Church to continue on a wrong theological way


1 comment:

George Brenner said...

> Baptism of Blood, Baptism of Desire
> and living in a state of sanctity while invincibly
> ignorant are all Catholic Church teaching on possibilities
> of salvation as deemed worthy by God AFTER death. When and if these
> situations find themselves incorporated by God into the
> Catholic Church at judgment is also Catholic Church
> teaching but occur after death. These conditions of sanctity as judged by God are
> never exceptions to the necessity of being Catholic in
> order to be saved. Many in the Catholic Church imply and God forbid
> even teach that these possibilities exempt Catholics
> from teaching that all Catholics and non Catholics must be taught that there is No
> salvation outside the Catholic Church along with
> baptism by water as necessary for salvation. The necessity that ALL must
> remain, return or convert to the Catholic Church is
> eternally unchangeable and can never be compromised or diluted.
Even the letter of the Holy Office in 1949 explained and I quote:
" Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church"
Therefore all the aforementioned possibilities of salvation are in no way
to be construed to mean that there is ever salvation outside the Catholic Church.
Logic alone should tell all of good will that if the Catholic Church "will NEVER
cease to preach" as said in the letter of he Holy Office that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church it
would follow that any Catholic who does teach otherwise is in danger of serious sin up to
and including formal heresy.
We naturally can have great hope and reason to believe that God's mercies might be extended to the Catechumen
or Martyr who may die for God while not being baptized but these situations are neither known to us as visible and place themselves before God after death.
Salvation when it occurs by these conditions are never an exception. Even these people while alive must be taught along with any and all that are
ignorant or non Catholic that salvation is inside the Catholic Church alone along with Baptism of water. Salvation is always achieved through Catholicity.


George Brenner