Heresy, Schism and Apostasy
|DefinitionsThe Catechism of the Catholic Church defines these|
three sins against the faith in this way:
2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the
willful refusal to assent to it.
Lionel: The dogma extra ecclesiam
nulla salus (EENS) as it was known
in the 16th century and previous
centuries is rejected according to
Pope Benedict in a recent
interview with Avvenire.
The dogma was revealed truth
based on John 3:5 and Mark 16:16.
"Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of
some truth which must be believed with divine and
catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubtconcerning the same;
Lionel: Pope Benedict has
refused to affirm the
dogma EENS as it was
interpreted over the
apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith;
Pontiff or of communion with the members of the
Church subject to him." [Code of Canon Law c.751]The Church's moral theology has always distinguished
between objective ormaterial sin and formal sin.
Lionel: The moral theology
of the Church before
and after the Council of
Trent is not the same.
The person who holds something contrary to the Catholic
faith is materially a heretic.
Lionel: Since the dogma EENS is
no more affirmed by
the contemporary magisterium
it is the Catholic faith which
has been changed. It is
members of the
magisterium who are in
They possess the matter of heresy, theological error.
Lionel: The contemporary
magisterium uses an
irrational premise and
inference to create a
new theology, which
is a break with the
pre-Council of Trent
magisterium. This is heresy.
Thus, prior to the Second Vatican Council it was quite
common to speak of non-Catholic Christians as
heretics, since many of their doctrines are objectively
contrary to Catholic teaching.
Lionel: They were heretics
according to the old
on the dogma EENS.
This theological distinction remains true, though
in keeping with the pastoral charity of the Council
today we use the term heretic only to describe those
who willingly embrace what they know to be
contrary to revealed truth. Such persons are formally
(in their conscience before God) guilty of heresy. Thus,
the person who is objectively in heresy is not formally
guilty of heresy if 1) their ignorance of the truth is due
to their upbringing in a particular religious tradition (to
which they may even be scrupulously faithful), and 2)
they are not morally responsible for their ignorance
of the truth. This is the principle of invincible
ignorance, which Catholic theology has always
recognized as excusing before God.
Lionel: The concept of invincible
ignorance in the new theology
is based on the use of an
irrational premise and inference
to create a non traditional
and heretical outcome.
The concept of invincible
ignorance is heretical.It is
an irrationality used to reject
the dogma EENS.
the Roman Pontiff, whom Vatican I defined as
having a universal primacy of authority over the
whole Church, is at least a material schismatic.
Lionel: Presently we have Pope
Benedict and Pope Francis
rejecting the dogma EENS as
it was accepted by the
popes over the centuries.
They also interpret Vatican
Council II with irrational
Cushingism instead of rational
and traditional Feeneyism
which is still an option
which they reject.
They use the same irrational
premise and inference to
suggest that there are known
exceptions in moral
theology, to the traditional
teaching on mortal sin
and Hell.In other words,
they know of people
who are living in manifest
sin but will not be going to
So now the primacy of
authority is there with
popes in public heresy.
It was thus common in the past to speak
of the schismatic Orthodox Churches who broke
with Rome in 1054. As with heresy, we no
longer assume the moral culpability of those who
belong to Churches in schism from Rome, and
thus no long refer to them as schismatics.
Lionel: They are no longer
referred to as schismatics
since the popes today no
more affirm the dogma EENS
as did the popes
over the centuries.
When it comes to Catholics who are formally
guilty of heresy, apostasy or schism, the
Church applies the penalty of excommunication.
The 1983 Code of Canon Law,repeating
the sanctions of the earlier 1917 Code, states,
is the fact that these ultra-traditionalist
groups profess to be doctrinally orthodox,
an orthodoxy which necessarily includes
the teaching that Outside the Church
There Is No Salvation.
Lionel: They say they
affirm EENS but most
of them interpret EENS
Slaves of the Immaculate
Heart of Mary at the St.
USA are an exception.
This means that someone who has formally
separated himself from the Church through
heresy or schism, or knowing the Church
to be true failed to enter her, cannot
be saved, unless of course they renounce
their own will and reconcile with the Church.
Lionel: Apparantly EWTN here
considers all the traditionalists
as affirming EENS according
to Feeneyism which is
While EWTN interprets
EENS with Cushingism and
considers this magisterial.
Unlike the non-Catholic Christian,
can the super-orthodox claim invincible
ignorance of this teaching?
Lionel: The contemporary
magisterium can make
things clear for all.They
could clarify that EENS can
be interpreted with or
without an irrational premise
and inference, with Cushingism
or Feeneyism. They can make
the same distinction for Vatican
Perhaps Pope Francis realizes
that the magisterium made a
mistake in the interpretation
of Vatican Council
II ( Cushingism). So now he
is inviting the SSPX into
the Church with Vatican
Council II not being an issue.
He also needs to apologize
for the excommunication
of Archbishop Lefevbre
who was rejecting a
Cushingite Vatican Council
II. He could also
apologize for the Holy
for rejecting a Cushingite
Can they escape the condemnation of
Pope Boniface VIII, who in first elaborating
it said, "this authority, although it is given
to man and is exercised by man, is not
human, but rather divine, and has been
given by the divine Word to Peter himself
and to his successors in him, whom the
Lord acknowledged an established rock,
when he said to Peter himself:
Whatsoever you shall bind etc. [Matt. 16:19].
Therefore, whosoever resists this power so
ordained by God, resists the order of God ...?
Lionel: Pope Boniface VIII
approved the dogma
extra ecclesiam nulla salus
in the Council of
Florence 1441.It was
Feeneyite!.It is being
rejected by EWTN today.
No wonder that given enough time such
groups inevitably produce those who claim
that the See of Peter is vacant, since the logic
of their schismatic attitude is ultimately
irreconcilable with the doctrine of papal
primacy, as enunciated by both Pope
Boniface and Vatican I.
Lionel: Pope Boniface and
the pope and cardinals
at Vatican 1 were Feeneyite
on EENS.The present two
popes are heretical
and non traditional since
they interpret EENS
and Vatican Council II with
Cushingism. So Vatican
Council II (Cushingite)
emerges as a break
with EENS ( Feeneyite).
Pope Benedict's Avvenire interview contradicts
the SSPX General Chapter Statement on
extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican
For there to be an exception to EENS it
would mean there is a known case, a
physically known case in the present
times, who made it to Heaven
without the baptism of water.An
invisible case cannot be an exception.
Heresy in Amoris Latitiae ?