Saturday, December 3, 2016

Something important was missing in Michael Voris and the CMTV's The Download :Alpha program


Today on this "Free Friday" episode of The Download, the panel delves into the ALPHA Program and its Protestant roots, and asks the question, why are Catholics afraid of professing the Faith in all its glory? Not familiar or confused by ALPHA? Find more info here: To view full episodes of The Download Monday-Thursday LIVE, sign up for premium: Find the panelists on social and continue the conversation! Michael Voris—Facebook: Twitter: Niles—Facebook: Twitter: Brad—Twitter: us! Facebook: Twitter:

Michael Voris has a good program on the Alpha course.The Archdiocese of Detroit has objected.
Michael Voris was correct.The Alpha program is Protestant and heretical.
When defending Catholic doctrine the Church Militant TV,however, did not support or proclaim the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.No one on the panel said all Protestants  are on the way to Hell since they are not members of the Catholic Church.
This was missing in the Download program either because the CMTV team does not believe in this dogmatic teaching, they would no longer be in good standing with the Archbishop of Detroit or the Leftists would protest with their racist and discriminatory laws. CMTV was afraid,
The panel did not state the obvious. There are no known cases of the baptism of desire. We cannot see or meet someone in the present times or the past saved with the baptism of desire and without the baptism of water.No one will show up in Detroit saved with the baptism of desire.So it can be pointed out to as an exception to the dogma.
The baptism of desire is a zero case in our reality said John Martignoni, the apologist.I am waiting for Prof. P.Blosser and Prof. Ralph Martin on the faculty of the Catholic seminary in Detroit to say the same thing.
The baptism of desire is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus said Fr. S.Visintin osb, the present Dean of Theology, at Pontifical University of San Anselm in Rome.
So the baptism of desire is not an exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.But this cannot be said by CMTV.Such an important point was not mentioned on the Friday discussion.
Obviously Michael Voris does not affirm the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to St. Francis Xavier whose feast day it is today.He does not do so in public at least.Theologically he is clear. He is a denier.He contradicts St.Francis Xavier and the Jesuits of that time.
Neither is he saying that Vatican Council II was never a rupture with the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.It is a rupture for him.He has the same doctrinal position as the liberals and the archdiocese.No rupture with the Archbishop of Detroit.
If he did speak the truth they would give him the liberal-leftist pitch about Fr. Leonard Feeney being excommunicated for saying....
So CMTV allows school children in Religion Class at Detroit to  be taught that every one does not need to formally enter the Church in 2016 since there are exceptions.They themself believe this.
Or the Catholic  children will be taught that  every one needs to enter the Catholic Church with 'faith and baptism'(AG 7) in 2016 for salvation ( to avoid Hell) except for those in invincible ignorance or saved with the baptism of desire.This is acceptable Catholic doctrine for CMTV. Since it is approved by the present magisterium, even though it contradicts magisterial texts ( Vatican Council II, AG 7, LG 14) and the magisterium of the past ( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441).
I mentioned in a previous post that for the Archdiocese of Detroit and the theological and philosophical faculty at the Sacred Heart Seminary in Detroit there is salvation outside the Church. According to the new theology salvation outside the Church is a possibility.For St. Francis Xavier there was no such possibility.

Even in Vatican Council II there is no mention of any possibility which is defacto known.Vatican Council II is in agreement with St. Francis Xavier's concept of salvation, unless of course, you imagine hypothetical references are objectively seen.

For CMTV like the Archdiocese and the seminary faculty, Vatican Council II mentions possibilities ( LG 16 invincible ignorance allegedly without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church)It is not a speculative possibility.t is a known case, objectively seen in Detroit.So they infer that there is known salvation outside the Church.
When Christine Niles hosted the Mic'd Up program on the subject of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus, even though she quoted Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441 she also cited the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, which contradicts Cantate Dominio.
The Letter says that the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus has exceptions and the baptism of desire etc are exceptions.It infers this.So the Letter criticizes the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS for not accepting these new- found exceptions .Now if any one supports the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS the liberal bishops may excommunicate them for not saying the exceptions are visible.
The Letter obviously made an objective mistake. How can invisible cases of the baptism of desire,known only to God if they exist, be an exception to all needing to be incorporated into the Church? An exception would have to exist and be visible and tangible to be an exception.
The baptism of desire etc  are speculative and theoretical cases mentioned with good will in the Council of Trent etc. The Council of Trent does not state that there is a known  case of a catechumen who dies before receiving the baptism of water and is saved and this specific case is personally known to us.It does not state this yet CMTV, the Archdiocese and the faculty and students at the Detroit seminary, will infer all this.
CMTV's innovative version of extra ecclesiam nulla salus is also accepted by Archbishop Allen Vignon, the archbishop of Detroit. So when talking about Catholic doctrine,on this Download program,  no one afirmed the text of Cantate Dominio or Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14) which tell us all Protestants are on the way to Hell without Catholic faith.All.
On the Download the panel seemed to express  the same worldly prudence that one could find in the Curia of the Archdiocese and the theological faculty of the Sacred Heart Seminary there.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Feeneyite version, is the foundational basis of other teachings of the Church including an ecumenism of return, outside the Church Jews and Muslims are on the way to Hell and the need for the Social Reign of Christ the King.
With Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus, which for me says there are no known exceptions to the dogma EENS and the baptism of desire is not an exception, the interpretation of Vatican Council II radically changes.
CMTV does not even discuss  this.They have an otherwise correctly pointed out that  Alpha is not Catholic.It has no Catholic theology on the Eucharistic.However in CMTV's apologetics there is no reference to the centuries old exclusivist salvation theology as it was known to the 16th cenury missionaries, including St.Francis Xavier.-Lionel Andrades

DECEMBER 1, 2016

Is Michael Voris really saying the un-thinkable?

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