Wednesday, August 30, 2017

Archbishop Lefebvre made major errors like the magisterium of his time

Comment on Gloria TV

Marcel-Lefebvre
Dr.Stuart Reiss, I sympthaze with what is said here.However the hard truth still remaims. Archbishop Lefebvre made a mistake when he assumed invisible for us baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) were visible exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) which he rejected and which the magisterium and the SSPX bishops still do today. He was wrong on this point.
2 Then he was wrong in assuming Vatican Council II was a rupture with Tradition since for him LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22, AG 11 , AG 7 etc referred to visible persons saved outside the Church even though there were no such people.He was wrong in his interpretation of Vatican Council II.
3.Then he was also wrong, due to ignorance, in not  accepting Vatican Council II and the dogma EENS interpreted without the invisible-visible mix up and so the Council would be in harmony with Tradition.This would have made it easy for the SSPX today to ask for canonical status based on a Council which is not a rupture with Tradition.Also there would have been no reason for his excommunication based on Vatican Council II. The Council would not be an issue.
These are major errors that he let pass through and so Bugini and the others could claim that there was a new spirit in Vatican Council II which was a rupture with the past when really a false premise was being used to change theology, ecclesiology, doctrines and dogma.
So today the SSPX offers the Traditional Latin Mass but with the new theology, the new ecclesiology and new doctrines(For example Lumen Gentium 14 is accepted and so is Cushingite EENS ) which are a rupture with the dogma EENS as it was known when the Tridentine Mass was offered for example , in the 16th century.
It is also a rupture with the ecclesiology of the Greek Byzantine Mass which was offered in the Church before the Tridentine Latin Mass.
I receive the Eucharist on my tongue and I think Bugini should not have made this change approved by ecclesiastical Masonary. I kneel and receive the Eucharist at Mass in Italian.For me there is no known salvation outside the Church, so the ecclesiology of the Church has not changed. I do not use the New Theology and so there is no change in doctrines. The dogma EENS is affirmed by me in the same way as it was done in the 16th century.
So whatever is the liturgy or Rite, which I attend, during Mass there is no rupture with the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church, for me. This cannot be said by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf ,Bishop Schneider, Cardinal Burke or Bishop Fellay.It has changed for all of them.-Lionel Andrades

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2017/08/eyewitness-account-of-struggle-over-post-conciliar-liturgical-reform-which-reversed-centuries/

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