I mentioned in the last blog post that the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) have simply to 1) affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with invisible for us baptism of desire (BOD),baptism of blood (BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I) and they must 2) affirm Vatican Council II with invisible for us LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22, AG 11, AG 7(BOD,BOB and I.I) etc.1
However there is so much of false propaganda on Wikipedia which has to be neutralised.It is all based on invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I being visible. Then invisible for us LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22, AG 11, AG7 etc are visible exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.
Here is the conclusion of the section on Vatican Council II in the Wikipedia article on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. With an irrational premise Wikipedia draws non traditional conclusions.
Second Vatican Council
The Second Vatican Council declared that the Christian communities that are not in full communion, but only in "partial communion"[with the Catholic Church, "though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church".(Lionel : Yes .This is fine as a hypothetical statement However the moment it is assumed that this is an exception to the dogma EENS it is wrongly inferred that this is a visible case. Then we get bad philosophy.So why has Wikipedia mentioned this with reference to extra ecclesiam nulla salus? Why? Since it is wrongly assumed to be a known case of salvation outside the Church.) It explained that "some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, and visible elements too. All of these, which come from Christ and lead back to Christ, belong by right to the one Church of Christ." (Fine. It is not being claimed here that this is a reference to known people saved as such) These elements, it said, "as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward Catholic unity." And "it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help towards salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one body of Christ into which all those must be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God."
(No problem still.Since it is not being said that these are examples of people saved outside the Church who are
known to us in specific cases. So it is not controversial)
The Council also said that even those who do not believe in Christ are related to the Church: "All men are called to be part of this catholic unity of the people of God which in promoting universal peace presages it. And there belong to or are related to it in various ways, the Catholic faithful, all who believe in Christ, and indeed the whole of mankind, for all men are called by the grace of God to salvation."
( Fine and they are not exceptions to the dogma EENS.)
However, it added immediately that those who, "knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved".
(Once again we do not know and cannot know who these people are . So we do
there is no exception to the dogma EENS mentioned in LG 14) In this way, the Catholic Church teaches that any person who knows that the Catholic Church is necessary for eternal salvation and knowingly rejects the Church with deliberate consent cannot be saved.( This is still speculative, theoretical and hypothetical. There is no controversy here for me.But for Wikipedia these are known cases and so contradict Tradition, in particular EENS and the Syllabus of Errors.So Wikipedia has a bias in this report. It is using the familiar false premisd associated with this subject.They need to be corrected.) On the other hand, "those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life."
(Once again it is a reference to a hypothetical case for us
human beings. So there is no exception to the dogma
EENS here for me.But for Wikpedia it is not a
hypothetical or theoretical subject so it is mentioned
here).
This does not take from the Church's obligation to preach the Gospel: "Often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator. Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, "Preach the Gospel to every creature", the Church fosters the missions with care and attention."[25] In its decree on missionary activity, the Council, quoting Lumen gentium, 14, said: "Christ Himself 'by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.(This is an orthodox passage supporting Feeneyite EENS and the following passage does not contradict it.Since it refers to a hypothetical case.Unknown people cannot be exceptions to all needing faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7) in the present times.)
Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it.' (This is a hypothetical passage and mentioning it here in Vatican Council II was a mistake of the Council Fathers(Cardinal Richard Cushing and the others).Since they had confused BOD, BOB and I.I as being explicit and known in personal cases then they mentioned it here with reference to EENS.This is a subtle error in Vatican Council II). Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him, yet a necessity lies upon the Church, and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel."
(Yes a necessity lies to preach the Gospel saying all need
to enter the Church since there are no known exceptions to the dogma EENS and inculpable ignorance
is not one of them).
The Council also warned that full incorporation in the Church does not ensure salvation: "They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion.(Again we have to be cautious of Cushingite reasoning.
It confuses what is unknown as being known) He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a 'bodily' manner and not 'in his heart'. (and we do not know who he is in any specific case. So this is irrelevant to Feeneyite EENS.But it is relevant for Wikipedia.) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged."
( Fine and they are not exceptions to the dogma EENS.)
However, it added immediately that those who, "knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved".
there is no exception to the dogma EENS mentioned in LG 14) In this way, the Catholic Church teaches that any person who knows that the Catholic Church is necessary for eternal salvation and knowingly rejects the Church with deliberate consent cannot be saved.( This is still speculative, theoretical and hypothetical. There is no controversy here for me.But for Wikipedia these are known cases and so contradict Tradition, in particular EENS and the Syllabus of Errors.So Wikipedia has a bias in this report. It is using the familiar false premisd associated with this subject.They need to be corrected.) On the other hand, "those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life."
(Once again it is a reference to a hypothetical case for ushuman beings. So there is no exception to the dogma
EENS here for me.But for Wikpedia it is not a
hypothetical or theoretical subject so it is mentioned
here).
Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it.' (This is a hypothetical passage and mentioning it here in Vatican Council II was a mistake of the Council Fathers(Cardinal Richard Cushing and the others).Since they had confused BOD, BOB and I.I as being explicit and known in personal cases then they mentioned it here with reference to EENS.This is a subtle error in Vatican Council II). Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him, yet a necessity lies upon the Church, and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel."
(Yes a necessity lies to preach the Gospel saying all needto enter the Church since there are no known exceptions to the dogma EENS and inculpable ignorance
salvation are Cushingite passages.CushingismHere is the continuation of the Wikipedia article on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Catholic Church elucidations[edit]
In the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the Church states that the phrase, "Outside the Church there is no salvation", means, if put in positive terms, that "all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body", and "is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church".At the same time, it adds: "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."[17]The Church has also declared that "she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter", and that "those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."Lionel: The passages in red mention with reference to
assumes hypothetical cases are objective exceptions
to EENS.
'those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church'.Lionel: We do not know any person as such in the present times. It is a 'zero case'."she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter". Lionel: We do not know any specific person saved as such.This cannot be an example of salvation outside the Church.An invisible person cannot be a visible exception to EENS.So why is it mentioned here? It is mentioned since the writer or the theologian at Wikipedia assumed it is a visible person saved outside the Church."those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."Lionel: and who are saved outside the Church and who are known to us in personal cases? Is this the inference here? This is Cushingism.
- Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, 14: "They could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it."
- Lionel: Invincible ignorance is considered an explicit and known exception to the dogma EENS in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office.So Vatican Council(LG 14) makes the bad distinction between those who are in 'ignorance' and those who 'know'.
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- Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, 16: ". . .Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. . .But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator. Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. . ."
- Lionel: Again Vatican Council II (LG 16) suggests that being saved in invincible ignorance refers to a known person who was visible and was saved outside the Church.So it becomes an exception to EENS. So with this irrationality( visible exceptions saved in invincible ignorance) a new theology has been created which says there is salvation outside the Church and EENS according to Pius XII (1958) has been rejected.So with bad philosophy bad theology has been created which is non traditional and heretical and a rupture with the past.-Lionel Andrades
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