APRIL 8, 2013
This is what the SSPX and the St.Benedict Centers must agree on.The baptism of desire and baptism of blood are irrelevant to the literal interpretation of the dogma according to Fr. Leonard Feeney.
Once the traditionalists get this point out of the way proclamation is simple and clear
In any case, Bptism of Desire/Baptism of blood has absolutely no impact whatsoever on our proclamation of EENS and that's what is important.
Agreed!
This is what the SSPX and the St.Benedict Centers must agree on.The baptism of desire and baptism of blood are irrelevant to the literal interpretation of the dogma according to Fr. Leonard Feeney.
Once the traditionalists get this point out of the way proclamation is simple and clear
Here is the SSPX assuming that the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
http://www.sspx.org/miscellaneous/feeneyism/three_errors_of_feeneyites.htmWhy not then believe the dogma "outside the Church there is no salvation" "...with the same sense and the same understanding - in eodem sensu eademque sententia"[3] - as the whole Catholic Church has taught it from the beginning, that is, including the "three baptisms"? Fr. Leonard Feeney and his followers give a new meaning, a new interpretation, to this dogma.This traditional interpretation of this dogma, including the "three baptisms," is that of St. Cyprian, St. Ambrose, St. Augustine, St. Fulgentius, St. Bernard, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Peter Canisius, St. Alphonsus de Liguori, Pope Innocent II, Pope Innocent III, the Council of Trent, Pope Pius IX, Pope St. Pius X, etc., and unanimously all theologians (prior to the modernists). St. Alphonsus says: "It is de fide [that is, it belongs to the Catholic Faith - Ed.] that there are some men saved also by the baptism of the Spirit."[4]The traditional interpretation of "Outside the Church there is no salvation," was approved by the Council of Florence (1438-1445). The Council Fathers present made theirs the doctrine of St. Thomas on baptism of desire, saying that for children one ought not to wait 40 or 80 days for their instruction, because for them there was "no other remedy."[5] This expression is taken directly from St. Thomas (Summa Theologica, IIIa, Q.68, A. 3) and it refers explicitly to baptism of desire (ST, IIIa, Q.68, A.2). Despite the fact that the Council of Florence espoused the doctrine of St. Thomas Aquinas, it is astonishing to see Feeneyites opposing this council to St. Thomas!
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FEBRUARY 1, 2013
SSPX PRIOR AT ALBANO,ITALY SAYS WE DON'T KNOW ANYONE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/02/sspx-prior-at-albanoitaly-says-we-dont.html
JANUARY 19, 2013
The Baptism of Desire is a possibility and not an exception
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/the-baptism-of-desire-is-possibility.html
NOVEMBER 17, 2012
SSPX PRIESTS AND FR.LEONARD FEENEY'S COMMUNITIES BELIEVE THAT THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE CASES ARE VISIBLE TO US.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/sspx-priests-and-frleonard-feeneys.html
NOVEMBER 13, 2012
The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary are not answering the question: Do we know any one on earth saved with the baptism of desire?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/the-slaves-of-immaculate-heart-of-mary.html
NOVEMBER 11, 2012
IRRESPECTIVE IF THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE RESULTS IN JUSTIFICATION OR JUSTIFICATON AND SALVATION IT IS NOT AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/irrespective-if-baptism-of-desie.html
ROME HAS TO CONVERT WHEN THE SSPX ANNOUNCES RICHARD CUSHING WAS IN HERESY
SEPTEMBER 27, 2012
EENS FORUM ASSUMES THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS AN EXCEPTION TO THE INFALLIBLE DOGMA ON SALVATIONhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/09/eens-forum-assumes-baptism-of-desire-is.html
THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL II IN NO WAY AFFFECTS THE DOGMA OF NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH- Brian Hughes
What has been declared at the second Vatican Council is no new dogma, but merely the reassertion of an ancient truth, and it in no way affects the dogma of "no salvation outside the Church".- Brian Hughes
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/09/the-second-vatican-council-ii-in-no-way.html#links
What has been declared at the second Vatican Council is no new dogma, but merely the reassertion of an ancient truth, and it in no way affects the dogma of "no salvation outside the Church".- Brian Hughes
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/09/the-second-vatican-council-ii-in-no-way.html#links
ROME HAS TO CONVERT WHEN THE SSPX ANNOUNCES RICHARD CUSHING WAS IN HERESY
So if you say someone could be saved with the Baptism of Desire or if you say that someone could not be saved with the Baptism of Desire, either way, it is irrelevant to the dogma on salvation
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/so-if-you-say-someone-could-be-saved.html
AUGUST 19, 2014
AUGUST 18, 2014
Another baptism of desire list in which it is assumed that the deceased are visible to us
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/another-baptism-of-desire-list-in-which.html
AUGUST 18, 2014
I reject an explicit baptism of desire and affirm the traditional and centuries old interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.If it is not explicit it is not an exception
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/reject-explicit-baptism-of-desire-and.html
JUNE 13, 2014
I am referring to physics and not theology. Physically with the human eye we cannot see the deceased now saved in Heaven with the baptism of desire
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/i-am-referring-to-physics-and-not.html
FEBRUARY 5, 2014
SSPX must clarify that the baptism of desire is always implicit, hypothetical and invisible for us
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/02/sspx-must-clarify-that-baptism-of.html
SEPTEMBER 9, 2013
SEPTEMBER 9, 2013
Michael and Peter Dimond assume the baptism of desire is explicit and visible to us so they condemn St.Alphonsus Ligouri as a heretic
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/09/michael-and-peter-dimond-assume-baptism.html
DIMOND BROTHERS ASSUME THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS VISIBLE TO US AND SO CRITICIZE JOHN SALZA
I can affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus alongwith implicit baptism of desire etc and I do not have to become a sedevacantist. They can do the same.
JUNE 9, 2012
“How can we be called heretics when the baptism of desire is not explicit?”-Peter and Michael Dimond need to be asked
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/how-can-we-be-called-heretics-when.html
APRIL 15, 2012
BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE DIRECTLY LINKED TO THE SSPX-VATICAN TALKS. IT IS AT THE CENTRE OF THE DIFFERENCES ON ECUMENISM AND OTHER RELIGIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/baptism-of-desire-and-invincible.html
MARCH 20, 2012
Bishop Fellay, Fr.Schmidberger,FSSP,Joseph Fenton seem unaware the baptism of desire is not an explicit exception to the dogma
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/bishop-fellay-frschmidbergerfsspjoseph.html
NOVEMBER 12, 2011
CATHOLICS ARE FIGHTING IT OUT ON TRADITIONAL FORUMS :TENSION OVER STRAWMAN SINCE THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE NOT EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/11/catholics-are-fighting-it-out-on.html
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