The Council is not ambiguous for me. It is traditional. It does not oppose the old ecclesiology of the Church : traditionalists misread Vatican Council II and EENS

One cannot superficially read Vatican Council II and then crudely interpret it as a rupture with Tradition I mentioned in a previous blog post.1 This was done by Christopher Ferrara, Roberto de Mattei, Atila Guimares, Fr.Nicholas Gruner and others in their books on Vatican Council II.There was a choice available. They did not know.

We have to re-interpret Vatican Council II without superficially assuming hypothetical cases , possibilities, are practical exceptions to the old ecclesiology of the Church. Similarly we must re-read Redemptoris  Missio and Dominus Iesus without the irrationality  and confusion which Cardinal Ratzinger allowed to enter into these documents.2

They cannot be considered magisterial, at least not when an objective error was made. Magisterial teachings are inspired by the Holy Spirit. 

Without the 'possibilities are exceptions to EENS' error there would remain only orthodox teachings in Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus,Vatican Council II, Catechism of the Catholic Church etc.They would be line with Feeneyite EENS.Christopher Ferrara and Roberto dei Mattei must affirm Feeneyite EENS.

So we have to be aware of the crude interpretation of Vatican Council II which is  common.It results in the dual passages,double meaning interpretation, Vaticanese and ambiguity in the text.This superficial reading of the text recognizes the orthodox passages and also interprets the unorthodox passages as a rupture with the orthodox passages.The unorthodox passages come from the false premise in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office.

This is the error-pattern in the 1949- Letter.The second part contradicts the first part.The first part is Feeneyite and the second part is Cushingite.The second part assumes invisible cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible exceptions to Feeneyite EENS mentioned in the first part of the Letter.

So Vatican Council II emerges  ambiguous with this form of reading.There are the pro EENS(Feeneyite) passages and the pro EENS (Cushingite) passages.The Cushingite passages are the unorthodox passages, which suggest that there is known salvation outside the Church, alleged known people saved without faith and baptism in the Catholic Church.

So there has to be ambiguity since with Cushingism the  past ecclesiology has been rejected .

For me Vatican Council II is not ambiguous, it is Feeneyite. Since what are non orthodox passages for Christopher Ferrara and Roberto dei Mattei would be neutral passages for me. They would refer to hypothetical cases, zero cases in our reality. Speculative possibilities (LG 16, LG 8, UR 3,NA 2,GS 22,etc).

So I look at these passages indifferently and I do not reject them and Vatican Council II.The Council is not ambiguous for me. It is traditional. It does not oppose the old ecclesiology of the Church. 
             

Christopher Ferrara, Michael Matt , Remnant News and Rorate Caeili correspondents,Fr.John Zuhlsdorf, David Domet, Louie Verrecchio and Ann Barnhardt may say that the popes since John XXIII made a mistake on Vatican Council II but they will not say that these popes made a mistake on Feeneyite EENS. Since when the traditionalists interpret and reject Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition the liberals and Masons appreciate it. They do the same. 

But if they interpreted  Vatican Council and EENS in coordination with Tradition then the leftist laws(Anti Semitic, racist etc) would be applied to them. So they avoid,what an auxiliary bishop in Rome called 'a  sensitive subject', and support the liberals and magisterium in their interpretation of EENS and Vatican Council II.

They choose to attend/offer the Latin Mass with the new ecclesiology.They blame Vatican Council II when the fault lies with their false inference when reading the text of the Council.

 -Lionel Andrades

1.

 DECEMBER 4, 2017

Be aware of the crude interpretation of Vatican Council II done by Christopher Ferrara, Roberto dei Mattei, Atila Guimares and others

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/be-aware-of-crude-interpretation-of.html



2.

DECEMBER 4, 2017

Cardinal Ratzinger made an objective mistake in Redemptoris Missio (graphics)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/cardinal-ratzinger-made-objective.html

DECEMBER 4, 2017

Vatican has no objections

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/vatican-has-no-objections.html

DECEMBER 3, 2017

Repost : No denial from Cardinal Ladaria, CDF : schism from the Left over Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/repost-no-denial-from-cardinal-ladaria.html




Feeneyism: It is the old theology and philosophical reasoning which says there are no known exceptions past or present, to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).There are no explicit cases to contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS.It is practical. There obviously are  no known cases of the baptism of desire (BOD),baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) in 2017.So there are no practical exceptions to EENS.Neither was BOD,BOB and I.I an exception to Feeneyite EENS in 1949 when the Letter of the Holy Office was issued to the Archbishop of Boston. The cardinals made an objective mistake.Similarly mentioning BOD and I.I in Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14) relative to the traditional teaching on salvation was superflous.

Cushingism: It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning.It assumes there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.

DECEMBER 1, 2017

The lex orandi lex credendi of Catholics today is based on irrational Cushingite theology.The Feeneyite alternative is ignored by all.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/the-lex-orandi-lex-credendi-of_1.html