Thursday, February 8, 2018

Error repeated in the Church : there is salvation outside the Church.

I know that you have said repeatedly that the Catholic Church has
said repeatedly and OFICIALLY that there is Salvation Outside of the
Catholic Church! Please give me JUST ONE example of where the Catholic
Church has officially taught this error.
Lionel:
Here are some examples.
1
THE HOPE OF SALVATION FOR INFANTS WHO DIE WITHOUT BEING BAPTISED
The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without being baptized',
International Theological Commission, 2007
59. The Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston (1949)
offers further specifications. “To gain eternal salvation, it is not
always required that a person be incorporated in reality (reapse) as a
member of the Church, but it is necessary that one belong to it at
least in desire and longing (voto et desiderio). It is not always
necessary that this desire be explicit as it is with catechumens.
When one is invincibly ignorant, God also accepts an implicit desire,
so called because it is contained in the good disposition of soul by
which a person wants his or her will to be conformed to God’s will”. -
The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without being baptized',
International Theological Commission, 2007

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2
'10. Exclusivist ecclesiocentrism—the fruit of a specific theological
system or of a mistaken understanding of the phrase extra ecclesiam
nulla salus—is no longer defended by Catholic theologians after the
clear statements of Pius XII and Vatican Council II on the possibility
of salvation for those who do not belong visibly to the Church (cf,
e.g., LG 16; GS 22)...'-International Theological Commission,
Christianity and the World Religions

'on the possibility of salvation for those who do not belong visibly
to the Church'
Lionel:
A possibility is not a visible case.There is a mistake in the inference.

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3
67. Vatican Council II makes its own the expression extra ecclesiam
nulla salus. But in using it the council explicitly directs itself to
Catholics and limits its validity to those who know the necessity of
the Church for salvation. The council holds that the affirmation is
based on the necessity of faith and of baptism affirmed by Christ (LG
14). In this way the council aligned itself in continuity with the
teaching of Pius XII, but emphasized more clearly the original
parenthentical character of this expression.- Christianity and the
World Religions 1997,International Theological Commission

'and limits its validity to those who know the necessity of the Church
for salvation.'
Lionel:
Those 'who do not know', who are in invincible ignorance, and are
allegedly saved would be known only to God. They are invisible cases
for us on earth. So they are not relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam
nulla salus.Here the ITC has made a mistake.It has used Cushingite theology.

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59. The Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston (1949)
offers further specifications. “To gain eternal salvation, it is not
always required that a person be incorporated in reality (reapse) as a
member of the Church, but it is necessary that one belong to it at
least in desire and longing (voto et desiderio). It is not always
necessary that this desire be explicit as it is with catechumens.
When one is invincibly ignorant, God also accepts an implicit desire,
so called because it is contained in the good disposition of soul by
which a person wants his or her will to be conformed to God’s will”. -
The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without the being baptized',
International Theological Commission, 2007

'To gain eternal salvation, it is not always required that a person be
incorporated in reality (reapse) as a member of the Church'
Lionel:
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake. Since it
is always required that a person be incorporated in the Church as a
member since there are no known exceptions. We cannot see any one
saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. We cannot
meet any one in 2016 for example, who will be saved with the baptism
of desire or in invincible ignorance.

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5.
Catechism of the Catholic Church states (cf. CCC 1260–1, 1283):
“Those who die for the faith, those who are catechumens, and all those
who, without knowing of the Church but acting under the inspiration of
grace, seek God sincerely and strive to fulfill his will, are saved
even if they have not been baptized.”
Lionel: This original passage is the result of Cushingite theology.
It can be re-interpreted with Feeneyite theology though by
knowing that there is no known salvation outside the Church
and hypothetical cases are not objective exceptions to the
dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

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6.
International Theological Commission (ITC)
58. In the face of new problems and situations and of an exclusive
interpretation of the adage: “salus extra ecclesiam non est”,[88] the
magisterium, in recent times, has articulated a more nuanced
understanding as to the manner in which a saving relationship with the
Church can be realized. The Allocution of Pope Pius IX, Singulari
Quadam (1854) clearly states the issues involved: “It must, of course,
be held as a matter of faith that outside the apostolic Roman Church
no one can be saved, that the Church is the only ark of salvation, and
that whoever does not enter it, will perish in the flood. On the other
hand, it must likewise be held as certain that those who live in
ignorance of the true religion, if such ignorance be invincible, are
not subject to any guilt in this matter before the eyes of the
Lord”-The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without being
baptized(2007. International Theological Commission)
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_cti_index-doc-pubbl_en.html

Lionel:
The Allocution of Pope PIus IX clearly does not state in the passage
cited above that those saved in invincible ignorance are explicitly
known and so are exceptions to the dogma which says whoever does not
enter into the Church will perish. These exceptional cases are known
only to God.The Church Councils and popes knew this. This
unfortunately was the error of the Archbishop of Boston Richard
Cushing and the Jesuits there.-Lionel Andrades



 February 8, 2018


The New Theology of Rahner, Ratzinger and Ladaria has been accepted by the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, Neo Cathechumenal Way, traditionalists and all the religious communities

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/the-new-theology-of-rahner-ratzinger.html
 







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