The Novus Ordo Mass is also the immemorial Mass of All Ages for me.It is a continuation of the old Rite, which affirmed the traditional exclusivist interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation

I think the Roman Rite, the Mass in Latin is a continuation of the Mass in Greek and this makes it the immemorial Mass.The Novus Ordo Mass is a continuation of this Mass of All Ages.

So without the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 (LOHO) error Mass in English would have the same ecclesiology as Mass in Greek and Latin.

Also without the LOHO error the present ecclesiology of Mass in Latin, will not be a rupture with the ecclesiology of Mass in Latin, during the 16th century.

Presently there is no unity in theology and doctrine among those who offer/attend the Traditional Latin Mass.

The traditionalists at the St.Benedict Centers, affirm Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus at Mass since there are no known exceptions of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) for them.They reject the LOHO reasosong.

At the SSPX Latin Mass they reject Feeneyite EENS and affirm the LOHO reasoning(invisible people are visible in the present times).Similarly for the community Priestley Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP),  BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. So there is created two different ecclesiologies and an understanding of salvation. One with and the other without the LOHO reasoning.

So the SSPX offers Mass with the new ecclesiology.This is not the Mass of the 16th century when LOHO reasoning did not exist.The missionaries in the 16th century accepted BOD, BOB and I.I as being only hypothetical and speculative .They could not be objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

In this sense the present Latin Mass offered by Una Voce is not the Mass of All Ages in its ecclesiology.Since Una Voce supports the LOHO reasoning.There is no more an ecumenism of return with their New Theology, Cushingite Theology.This is a rupture with the past.

So the ecclesiology of the FSSP and Una Voce Mass is the same as the Novus Ordo Mass.

For me there is no change in ecclesiology before and after Vatican Council II since I reject the second part of LOHO, since it contradicts the first part. So the Novus Ordo Mass is also the immemorial Mass of All Ages for me.It is a continuation of the old Rite, which affirmed the traditional exclusivist interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation.-Lionel Andrades

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.it/2018/03/new-old-liberal-bishop-is-worried-by.html#comment-form

MARCH 28, 2018

Bishop of Porto,Portugal Manuel da Silva's mistake - liturgy does not determine 'the strict groups' : it is LOHO which decides ecclesiology

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/bishop-of-portoportiugal-manuel-da.html

MARCH 28, 2018

Archbishop Guido Pozzo Secretary, Ecclesia Dei,Vatican : according to Canon Law he must affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and Vatican Council II.He does not do this

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/archbishop-guido-pozzo-secretary.html

 DECEMBER 19, 2017

Joseph Shaw interprets Vatican Council II according to the Left and links it to the liturgy

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/joseph-shaw-interprets-vatican-council.html

NOVEMBER 30, 2017

With this irrational theology, the new theology of the two popes, there is lex orandi and lex credendi among the traditionalists and liberals http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/with-this-irrational-theology-new.html

NOVEMBER 19, 2017

Rorate Caeili , Una Voce offer Traditional Latin Mass without EENS(Feeneyite) as in the 16th century Latin Mass :alternative to New Age

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/rorate-caeili-una-voce-offer.html

 DECEMBER 24, 2016

For Cardinal Burke the baptism of desire etc is an exception to the dogma EENS. This a rupture with Catholic doctrine and also the ecclesiology of the Latin Mass in the 16th century   http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/for-cardinal-burke-baptism-of-desire.html

DECEMBER 7, 2016

Ecclesia Dei has approved the Tridentine Rite Mass but only with the new ecclesiology in 2017 : Summorum Pontificum pilgrimage  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/pontifical-commission-ecclesia-dei-has.html

MARCH 7, 2014Summorum Pontificum does not say if Vatican Council II is to be interpreted with or without the false premise http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/03/summorum-pontificum-does-not-say-if.html

 AUGUST 25, 2016The Latin Mass is available in Rome but not the Tridentine Rite Mass.That has been effectivly prohibited by the contemporary magisterium and the political Left.It is not there even at the SSPX chapel http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/08/the-latin-mass-is-available-in-rome-but.html

NOVEMBER 19, 2013Ecclesiology is not dependent on the liturgy http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/11/ecclesiology-is-not-dependent-on-liturgy.html

 DECEMBER 3, 2011  IMPEDIMENT FOR THOSE WHO OFFER THE TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS ? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/12/impediment-for-those-who-offer.html 

NOVEMBER 6, 2016

When Vatican Council II is not a rupture with Tradition and there are no 'ambiguities' in it, then the Novus Ordo Mass theologically should not be a rupture with Tradition  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/when-vatican-council-ii-is-not-rupture.html
SEPTEMBER 21, 2016
Fr. John Zuhlsdorf once again does not affirm the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS,that of the 16th century missionaries when they offered the Traditional Latin Mass http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/fr-john-zuhlsdorf-once-again-does-not.html
AUGUST 15, 2016
SSPX has changed dogmas and doctrine  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/08/sspx-has-changed-dogmas-and-doctrine.html
No one is preaching membership in the Church is necessary for salvation even though Vatican Council II says this and this was part of the TLM ecclesiology for centuries http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/no-one-is-preaching-membership-in.html
DECEMBER 11, 2015
No denial from traditionalists : modernism in their liturgy
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/no-denial-from-traditionalists.html
Latin Mass Societies' Mass is heretical
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/latin-mass-societies-mass-is-heretical.html
The present traditional Latin Mass is modernist
 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/the-present-traditional-latin-mass-is.html
NOVEMBER 16, 2015
Sedevacantists are offering/attending the Traditional Latin Mass with heresy an impediment, a sin
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/11/sedevacantists-are-offeringattending.html
The Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Cushing was in manifest heresy and the pope supported it and the sedevacantists have accepted it
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/11/message-incomplete-iaad-has-posted.html

Sedevacantists do not realize that the baptism of desire will always be invisible for us. This is not a theory of mine. It is a fact of life
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/11/sedevantists-do-not-realize-that.html
There are so many passages in Vatican Council II which are there because of the error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/11/there-are-so-many-passages-in-vatican.html
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