Monday, April 23, 2018

New Catholic ecumenical groups must be formed which do not interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition, affirm the old traditional ecumenism in harmony with the Council and the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church

New Catholic ecumenical groups must be formed which do not interpret  Vatican Council II  as a rupture with Tradition.They  participate in ecumenical meetings along side the present Catholic ecumenical groups, for example, in England,where they interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition.The new ecumenical groups  would affirm the old traditional ecumenism of the Catholic Church in harmony with Vatican Council II and the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.The present ecumenism of the Catholic Church in Britain is based on the new ecumenism which assumes there is known salvation outside the Catholic Church. So there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus for them.

Possibilities of salvation in Christian religions are assumed to be de facto, concrete and known cases of people saved outside the Church.This is the reasoning which is the foundation of the New Ecumenism and New Ecclesiology created with a New Theology, which is irrational.
These new ecumenical groups, pro-EENS, pro-Syllabus of Errors and pro-Vatican Council II,  would include all Catholics, those  who attend Mass in different Rites and who even belong to the Lay Catholic Movements.
At ecumenical gatherings other Christians must know that 
Vatican Council II is not a rupture with an ecumenism of return.The Catholic Church is the ordinary means of salvation.Other Christians are invited to enter the Catholic Church as members to avoid Hell ( for salvation).Since without Catholic faith there is no salvation.

So when it is known that "There are no physically visible cases of the BOD,BOB and I.I in 2018" and " LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, NA 2, UR 3, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical cases ", Vatican Council II would not be a rupture with the past exclusivist ecclesiology, which was the traditional basis for an ecumenism of conversion into the Catholic Church.
These new Catholic ecumenical groups affirming the old ecumenism must also be there to witness to traditional Catholic teachings without rejecting Vatican Council II.
The new ecumenical groups would work to create local political parties and proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King, a priority, in political legislation.Since the old ecclesiology would be intact Vatican Council II would not contradict the teachings on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation.All need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7, LG 14) and Vatican Council II 's Lumen Gentium  8, Lumen Gentium  16, Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Nostra Aetate 2, Gaudium et Spec  22 etc, do not contradict the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation(Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441).-Lionel Andrades



Churches Together

The key element of ecumenism is the "Churches Together" approach to being united in faith. This is a commitment by each church and denomination to deepen fellowship with others without losing what makes each different. The aim is to work towards a greater visible unity. This works at a local, regional and national level.
At a local level it fosters co-operation between the churches both in terms of common worship and common action. The regional bodies exist primarily to facilitate this. Nationally, Churches Together seek to encourage the various denominations to work together on things which are of mutual concern.
Many Catholic parishes in England and Wales form part of a formal 'Local Ecumenical Partnership' - some even sharing church buildings with other denominations. In many places there are examples of co-operation, especially in respect of social issues. There are also many examples of common Christian witness, such as Good Friday processions and even joint missionary activity.

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A series of resources supporting unity among Christians. This page offers pdf downloads of all the sections of the Bishops' Conference leaflet Together in Christ and more.

Bishops' Document

The Search for Christian Unity 157.13 kB
The Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism. 2001


Contemporary Catholic Approaches to Ecumenism 157.33 kB
How the Catholic Church in England and Wales shapes its commitment to ecumenism, grounded in universal theological principles, and shaped in practice.

English ARC

Praying for Unity 257.06 kB
A Leaflet to celebrate the unity already shared in Christ, give thanks for it and deepen prayer for its continuation.

Together in Christ

Introduction 508.93 kB
An introduction to the leaflet Together in Christ
Growing Together 130.58 kB
Section one of the leaflet Together in Christ
New Directions 550.73 kB
Section two of the leaflet Together in Christ
Prayer and Worship 225.17 kB
Section three of the leaflet Together in Christ
Exploring Together 529.02 kB
Section four of the leaflet Together in Christ
Mission Together 521.50 kB
Section five of the leaflet Together in Christ
Working Together 534.70 kB
Section six of the leaflet Together in Christ
Resources 521.84 kB
Section seven of the leaflet Together in Christ

Local Ecumenical Partnerships (LEP)


APRIL 23, 2018

 A battle is raging about the life of terminally ill Alfie Evans
Catholic political party needed in England

APRIL 21, 2018

Fr.Chad Ripperger and FSSP priests still not permitted by the Vatican to affirm the traditional teaching on salvation : positivism towards magisterialism

APRIL 8, 2018

Fr.Paul McDonald is really saying he supports an exclusivist ecclesiology with no dual conclusions, heterodox passages, no passages against EENS

APRIL 7, 2018

Even Vatican II says every one on the face of the earth is called to become a member of the Mystical Body ( the Catholic Church)- Fr.Paul McDonald , Fatima Center

APRIL 5, 2018

Conferences must criticize the March 1 and 30th statements of Cardinals Ladaria and Nicols : affirm exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church, there are billions of non Catholics in Hell today.It is important to be a Catholic and to follow the teachings of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.


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