eucharistandmission: MHFM must change their interpretation of Vatican Council II with Feeneyite philosophy and theology

Tuesday, August 28, 2018

MHFM must change their interpretation of Vatican Council II with Feeneyite philosophy and theology

The Most Holy Family Monastery (MHFM) can choose to remain in sedevacantism citing Pope Francis' position on extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and Vatican Council II(Cushingite), I do not know, it is up to them - but they can still change their interpretation of Vatican Council II. They can switch to Feeneyite philosophy and theology.Then they would be rationally affirming Tradition along with Vatican Council II( Feeneyite). Then they are in a position to ask the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the other traditionalists to do the same.

They must explain the difference between Vatican Council II Cushingite and Feeneyite and why they cannot choose Vatican Council II Cushingite, since, obviously, Vatican Council II( Cushingite) is heretical and a rupture with Tradition.

They could specify that the pope is part of ' the Vatican Council II ( Cushingite) sect' for them and this is not the same as Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite), which is traditional.

They could clarify that I, Lionel, do not belong to a Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) sect since I affirm the traditional EENS and the old ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.
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However for me the MHFM's interpretation of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) refer to known people saved outside the Church.So the Catechism of Pope Pius X on invincible ignorance is a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors on an ecumenism of return and outside the Church there is no salvation.It is also a break with the Council of Trent which supports the old ecclesiology which does not mention any known exceptions.Pope Francis and the CDF make this mistake and the MHFM could say that it is heretical.

Then the MHFM is also interpreting the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994) with Cushingism and this creates a rupture with my (and their) interpretation of EENS.This would not be acceptable for example, for the Magisterium in the 16th century.
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Then there is the issue of the liturgy.They advise Catholics who contact them to attend only the Traditional Latin Mass(TLM) at places they specify.But at every TLM or Novus Ordo Mass today they use Cushingite theology to interpret Vatican Council II and EENS.So there is only the new ecclesiology, which is a rupture with the theology of Mass in the 16th century, for example.The theology of the Mass has been changed today with allegedly visible for us BOD, BOB and I.I and so now even liberal bishops permit the TLM in their diocese.

I personally choose Feeneyism to interpret Magisterial documents and I would ask Rome(Vatican) to come back to the Faith.For me, irrespective of who is the pope, the Church's teachings on faith and morals do not change.

So today Muslims and Jews are still going to Hell with no known exceptions according to Vatican Council II( Ad Gentes 7 - all need faith and baptism for salvation),Catechism of the Catholic Church (1257,845,846),Dominus Iesus (20),CDF Notification on Fr. Jaques Dupuis sj(n.7),Nicene Creed(I believe in (only) one(known) baptism for the forgiveness of sins),The Athanasius Creed( Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly),Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 14411, John 3:5, Mark 16:16 etc.
So with Feeneyism EENS and Vatican Council II are supported by Tradition.

Practically I cannot see or meet someone saved with BOD, BOB and I.I.So they are not exceptions to EENS for me .They do not contradict the intepretation of EENS according to Peter and Michael Dimond at the MHFM.

I can affirm Vatican Council II(F) and EENS(F),the Catechisms(F) and the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.The Catholic Church still has the superiority and exclusiveness in salvation for me and EENS is today is not a rupture with the missionaries in the 16th century, for me.

So it is not either- or for me. It does not have to be Vatican Council II or EENS.

With Cushingism, the MHFM would have to choose between Vatican Council II and EENS, the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994) and the past ecclesiology.Since with Cushingite BOD,BOB and I.I there are references to 'known' people saved outside the Church.So these so called objective cases of BOD, BOB and I.I and also 'objective cases' of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 , GS 22 etc would be a rupture with EENS and the Syllabus of Errors( ecumenism of return etc).So I do not have to go into sedevacantism.The popes can come and go. The Catholic Faith does not change for me.-Lionel Andrades

" The Church Teaches Ex Cathedra: "The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, and heretics, and schismatics, can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire "which was prepared for the devil, and his angels," (Mt. 25:41) unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this Ecclesiastical Body, that only those remaining within this unity can profit from the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and that they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, almsdeeds, and other works of Christian piety and duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church." (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441) ),John 3:5, Mark 16:16 etc.