Peter and Michael Dimond are interpreting the Catechisms of Pope X and the Council of Trent as a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX

Sedevacantists Peter and Michael Dimond are telling people to become traditionalist Catholics and they want them to affirm the Catechism of Pope Pius X and the Catechism of Trent which mention the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.

However for Peter and Michael the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) refer to known people saved outside the Church. These are examples, of salvation outside the Church,for them, and so they are rejected.Peter and Michael are Feeneyites on outside the Church there is no salvation.

The Dimond Brothers  at the Most Holy Family Monastery, USA hold on to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and BOD. BOB and I.I are not relevant.

BOD,BOB adn I.I are not relevant since they are assumed to be known people saved outside the Church and this is unacceptable for the two young men who choose sedevacantism.

This means however that the Catechism of Pope Pius X for example, is a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors on an ecumenism of return.This Catechism would be saying for them that there are known cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church ( which they reject) and so these non Catholics  could be objective exceptions to the traditional teaching on an ecumenism of return(Syllabus of Errors).

It would mean being saved in invincible ignorance in the Catechism of Pope Pius X,  is also an exception to the Council of Trent which supports the old ecclesiology of the Church.

Then the Council of Trent refers to the case of the catechumen saved with the desire for the baptism of water.The Council of Trent does not state that this is a known person saved outside the Church.It can only be a hypothetical case for us humans.However for Peter and Michael, this case of the catechumen is a known person saved outside the Church and so they have rejected the baptism of desire as being an exception to EENS.

So the Council of Trent ( baptism of desire) would be a rupture with the old ecclesiology which says all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation.The Council of Trent would also be a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors which supports the past ecclesiology.

They still see the case of the catechumen and the theoretical case of the non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance, as objective people. If they were not objective they would not be an exception to the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.

So since they are objective, the Catechism of Pius X contradicts the Syllabus of Errors while the Catechism of the Council of Trent contradicts the past teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and all needing to be members for salvation.
What a mess by good intentioned Catholics.

For me BOD, BOB and I.I refer to invisible and hypothetical cases,theoretical speculation with good will and so they are not relevant or exceptions to EENS as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century. So BOD, BOB and I.I mentioned in the Catechisms( Pius X, Trent etc) do not contradict the Syllabus of Errors on an ecumenism of return and neither no salvation outside the Church in other religions.

For Peter and Michael, LG 14( case of the catechumen) and Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) would be explicit and so are exceptions to EENS and the Syllabus of errors. So they reject Vatican Council II and go into sedevacantism.

I do not have to reject Vatican Council II since LG 8, LG14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are hypothetical cases only.Always.

So for me Vatican Council II is Feeneyite. It says all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7). All. While the references to hypothetical cases in Vatican Council II are not practical exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 or EENS.They can only be hypothetical.In reality they cannot be practical exceptions to EENS since they do not exist in our reality.

Vatican Council II is not a rupture with the Catechisms of Pope Pius X, the Catechism of the Council of Trent or the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX( Quanta Cura).

-Lionel Andrades