Thursday, August 9, 2018

Traditional Catechisms on Whispers of Restoration support the old exclusivist ecclesiology but the team at the website interpret these catechisms as a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors,EENS and the rest of Tradition






The traditional Catechisms on the website Whispers of Restoration(WR) support the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church but the team at WR interpret these catechisms as a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors and the past ecclesiology of the Church.Since for WR, the baptism of desire(BOD), the baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I)  are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).Since they are exceptions, it indicates  BOD, BOB and I.I are known people saved outside the Church.People in Heaven are exceptions on earth to the dogma EENS?! 
They are known and visible to be exceptions is the false reasoning at WR.
For the website-team BOD, BOB and I.I refer to visible and not invisible non Catholics/Catholics saved outside the Church.Known people saved outside the Church without the baptism of water.There cannot be any such person. Only God would know if it was possible for someone to be saved outside the Church.

So the Nicene Creed for them becomes, 'I believe in three or more baptisms for the forgiveness of sins. They are the baptism of desire, blood and invincible ignorance and they all exclude the baptism of water.I also believe in the baptisms of the seeds of the Word(AG 11), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3) etc, as known baptisms which exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.'
So the traditional Catechisms on WR, are a rupture with the ecumenism of returm (Syllabus of Errors) and the de fide teaching on all needing to be members of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell and go to Heaven ( Council of Florence 1441, Cantate Domino).WR says there are exceptions.Exceptions means a rupture. It means a break with exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

For example the old Catechism of Pope Pius X mentions being saved in invincible ignorance. For me being saved in invincible ignorance refers to an invisible person on earth.But for the team at WR, being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water, refers to a known person and so is an exception to Feeneyite EENS.
Yes a visible person saved outside the Church as such would be an exception to EENS and the past ecclesiology of the Church - but there is no such person in our reality.

Similarly the Catechism of the Council of Trent mentions the case of the unknown catechumen, known only to God.Again this person is physically invisible in our reality.But for the team at WR, the baptism of desire refers to known people saved outside the Church.So the Catechism of the Council of Trent becomes a rupture with the dogma EENS, the Syllabus of Errors and the past ecclesiology as it was known to the Magisterium in the 16th century.
With visible cases of the baptism of desire being examples of salvation outside the Church, of course, there would be a rupture with Tradition- but practically there are no such cases.-Lionel Andrades










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